Hi Andre, Do you find it suggestive that the socialist party in charge in Germany during WWII was mainly composed of "authoritative personalities"?
Best, Platt On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Andre Broersen <[email protected]>wrote: > Arlo to Mark: > > Again, its like the woman who wanted "creationism" in school... nobody > else's > "creationism", mind you, just HERS. This defines Tea Baggery to the "Tea" > (as > it were). > > Arlo on Oct 21: > "...and how long do you think it will be before another religion creeps > into the holes they make and starts imposing itself on them? > > Andre: > I have been reading some of the stuff in this thread. I do not know some of > the players mentioned, nor > the intricacies of the US constitution. I do however see parallels with > what is happening here in the Netherlands and it is a bit worrying. > Earlier I have also indicated that my experience of the US is non-existent > (apart from news reports and hearing rationalizations of US activities > around the globe) but that I gather that ninety-five percent of Americans > believe in God and possibly an equal number do not believe in > government...or rather...put up with it so long as it does not make itself > felt. (a bit like a very good referee in a sporting match). > > I think that a belief in god arose out of in- and organic patterns of value > and the belief in government arose out of social/intellectual patterns of > value. Both are, in the MOQ, social patterns of value but as shown, their > source is very different. > > God is considered an authority, Government is considered an authority. > > Following Arlo's experiences, god as an authority, is prized as number one. > The vehemence, conviction and absolute sense of righteousness is worrying. > The extremity of belief in authority to this degree reminded me of the > research done by Adorno et.al. after WWII in an attempt to make > understandable the atrocities, the incomprehensible cruelties and > justifications committed by Germany which is renowned, respected and admired > for its idealist philosophy. > > It is a rather long intro and I apologize. Two factors coincided: > patriotism and the adherence and unshakable belief in an Authority ( of the > organic/social kind) mainly found in a conservative, obedient frame of mind > leading [inevitably?] to a logical conclusion: Fascism. > > Here is the link and intro: > > The*authoritarian personality*is an influential theory of personality > developed byUniversity of California, Berkeley < > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_California,_Berkeley>psychologists,Else > Frenkel-Brunswik <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Else_Frenkel-Brunswik>,Daniel > Levinson <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Levinson>, andNevitt Sanford > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevitt_Sanford>and the German emigre > sociologist and philosopherTheodor W. Adorno < > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_W._Adorno>, in their 1950 book of the > same name. The personality type is defined by nine traits that were believed > to cluster together as the result of psychodynamic, childhood experiences. > These traits areconventionalism < > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conventionalism>, authoritarian submission, > authoritarian aggression, anti-intraception,superstition < > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superstition>andstereotypy < > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stereotypy>,power < > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_%28philosophy%29>and "toughness," > destructiveness andcynicism > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cynicism>,projectivity > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection>, and exaggerated > concerns oversexuality <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_sexuality>(sexual > repression).^[1] < > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authoritarian_personality#cite_note-0> In > brief, the authoritarian is predisposed to follow the dictates of a strong > leader and traditional, conventional values. > > The authors of/The Authoritarian Personality/, having escaped from Europe > during WWII, became interested in the study ofanti-semitism < > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-semitism>. They advertised for > volunteers and administered a battery of questionnaires. They selected the > most anti-semitic and least anti-semitic of the volunteers and discarded the > mid-group. They then contrasted the remaining two groups, coming up with > theF-scale <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-scale>, which measures the > basic traits of the authoritarian personality. > > Recently,John Dean <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dean>made use of the > theory to analyze the contemporary political climate in his > book/Conservatives without Conscience < > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservatives_without_Conscience>/. The > updated refinement of the authoritarian personality concept is the concept > ofRight-wing authoritarianism < > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_authoritarianism>brought fourth > byRobert Altemeyer <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Altemeyer>in 1981. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
