Hi Tim, Any path must provide some kind of reasoning. Any leading would result if we agree with such reasoning. So don't worry about that. The purpose of metaphysics is indeed to create a structure of understanding. As Pirsig rightly says, such structure cannot encompass the whole and may be misleading to some. The structure does provide something to discuss. One can enter into the world of spirituality where things must be felt rather than objectivized. Even such a path requires structure. So, yes, words do have a way of diminishing. This is only true however, if the words are seen as the object itself. There are ways of describing a beautiful painting which does not mean the painting is the words. This is accepted. The same thing can be accepted in metaphysics. Words are descriptions to convey a personal understanding. They cannot be more than that. If such personal understanding is agreed upon by many it becomes known as truth. It is here we must not go.
I fully understand Pirsig's difficulty with metaphysics. Every metaphysician recognizes this. Keeping it simple is one solution, but that has its limits in terms of growth and mainstreaming the concept. Math is just an adventure, it does not create reality but gives ways of conversing about it. > [Tim] > > [Tim] > Again, I am focusing on the HOW? So yes, "how these two interact..." > indeed! > [Mark] One approach I have considered is to take Quality out of the equation. In physics this is also done when Reality is taken out of the equation. For example when describing the equality of energy and matter as Einstein does, he is not concerned with reality, but only how energy and matter equate within in it. Einstein does not propose how energy becomes matter, he just states that it is possible. If we assume that dynamic and static quality are the same thing (Quality) but interchange in appearance to us humans, a similar approach to Einstein's could be envisioned. That is, that there are equations that relate the two. These equations must be formed with concepts which are not as well defined as energy or the speed of light squared (a constant), but can be done. I am still working on that based on what I read in these posts. Perhaps I will look like an idiot to others with my attempts. So be it, I am willing to take that chance just to get feedback. Mark > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > > Archives: > > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > > Archives: > > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > -- > > [email protected] > > -- > http://www.fastmail.fm - Choose from over 50 domains or use your own > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
