Horse, I think sexual behavior and strategies are built to adapt to the social environment. I think reproduction is a biological drive like hunger, thirst and breathing, processes required for survival, pure drive. I think our understanding of the word sex is different. You seem to be using it more as a reproductive act, and I see it more as the social ritual &etc., which includes giving and receiving pleasure.
That's it Horse. No more. Marsha p.s. I'm biting my tongue not to ask what horses do. ;-) On Dec 5, 2010, at 10:45 AM, Horse wrote: > Sexual behaviour and strategies are built into the biological level - > otherwise there would be no biological level and nothing for the social level > to emerge from. Sex and reproduction developed at the biological level - > later, social rituals evolved around sex. > > On 05/12/2010 15:23, MarshaV wrote: >> >> Hi Horse, >> >> I see the biological level more process-bound, therefore reproduction. In >> my book sex is more about cultural rituals, therefore social level. It's >> the strategies within the culture to accomplish the biological process. >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> On Dec 5, 2010, at 9:55 AM, Horse wrote: >> >>> Hi Marsha >>> Or how about sex is one method by which the means of reproduction is >>> achieved - there are other methods of reproduction. And, often, we get to >>> sex by the social 'dance' - literally in some cases! The only way I can see >>> sex as social is when group sex or orgies are on the menu - making sex >>> about pleasure and not reproduction. >>> If sex is social then instances of sex (as opposed to reproduction) means >>> that many biological biological entities (and certainly all mammals) are >>> social entities. >>> >>> Horse >>> >>> On 05/12/2010 14:27, MarshaV wrote: >>>> How about 'reproduction' is biological, and 'sex' is social? >>>> >>>> >>>> On Dec 5, 2010, at 9:03 AM, John Carl wrote: >>>> >>>>> Arlo, Mark, >>>>> >>>>> Sex is social. The sexual urge is biological, I'll grant you. Nocturnal >>>>> emission or masturbation is biological, I'll grant you. But sex takes two >>>>> and occurs through a complex of social negotiation. Even rape is a >>>>> sociopathic behavior rather than a merely biological urge. In fact, it's >>>>> pretty widely known that rape is due more to rage issues than mere >>>>> horniness. >>>>> >>>>> This is a recurring disagreement I have with most of MD. Mark in a >>>>> following post says the urge to freedom is biological. I disagree >>>>> completely, as I believe all emotions have social roots - the caring about >>>>> self in the relation to others. Biologically, our bodies would probably >>>>> be >>>>> quite happy kept in a pod and fed all necessary nutrients. >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > -- > > "Without music to decorate it, time is just a bunch of boring production > deadlines or dates by which bills must be paid." > — Frank Zappa > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
