Marsha responding to Tim by referring to Marsha and dmb's interaction
(phew!):
DQ is sq, sq is DQ. Most of us know this, but it sounds like
Matt and Steve do not care to focus on a separate DQ experience.
Andre:
To keep on confusing, or rather suggesting that 'DQ is sq' is completely
uprooting any kind of meaningful conversation Marsha, and certainly when
talking about a static intellectual pattern of value called 'MOQ'.
By substituting one for the other you make talking about metaphysics
impossible, you are making talk of 'history' impossible, you are making talk of
'evolution' meaningless. It reminds me of the episode where Phaedrus sat in
class in Benares and asked the professor if Hiroshima had actually
happened...if it was real?
There comes a time when you have to 'own up'. There IS a difference between
static and Dynamic. Yes, they are related. They are related in their
interdependency, their dependent-arising but that does not mean they are
interchangeable. To confuse this relationship is to make anything
conventionally meaningful, meaningless. Is that what you want? Reduce all to
statements of 'relativity' to apply to all static patterns?
'Nothing is real, and nothing to get hum about'
This inevitably leads to nihilism Marsha. You may feel that way in your own
life but here we are talking about a metaphysics. You make it sound like it is
a different process to you. I get the feeling that you have no idea about this.
In a very important way MOQ is biography. Don't generalize your own biography
to stand for the one we are discussing. Many here on this discuss do that...
and find fault with Mr. Pirsig.
Think again. Do not confuse Pirsig's MOQ with your own...He is a very smart and
wise man. Sometimes wise men know us better than we think we know ourselves,
and sometimes wise men are smarter than we think ourselves to be.
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