Hi Adrie, Yeah, interesting. What if instead of an expanding universe, we are all actually getting smaller? This would be some kind of Big Shrinkage. I suppose it would look the same. This is easier to conceive that a Big Bang that happened everywhere.
The precision of the forces needed to accomplish where were are now is indeed somewhat perplexing. I guess this is why Hawking speculates on numerous universes. It is fun to speculate, however, and I wish I had his mind. Sometimes I think that everything just falls out of the math. That time had to change (einstein was a function of the equations, they had to balance. That we have now shown empirically that time seems realative may also be the result of the math we use. As such, all of this is a creation of ours. Something I find useful and meaningful. Another thing that I haven't come across is the idea of evolution within the forces, and time. The assumption, I think, is that the basic forces and passage of time have remained the same. Why would they not evolve or change just like everything else? Oh, well, another thing to surf the internet for. Always fun. Cheers, Mark On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:29 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <[email protected]> wrote: > Quote , Mark. > Personally, I am not a big fan of the Hubble premise of an expanding > universe. It is based on evolution, and the need for some kind of > beginning. That the universe has always existed and in continually in > flux makes more sense to me. > End > > Adrie > > Right,very correct. > What the Hubble-telescope is looking at, is nowadays called the Hubble > volume > and beyond the deep field lays the extreme deep field, the universe doesn't > seem to stop further on after the Hubble volume. > > the notion of the big bang is a remnant from the past, it was a bad idea to > assume that matter was created from nothing, a presumed singularity at the > beginning of this event. > science accused the creationists of a stupid point of view, that god created > matter from nothing, ...using the same point of view, however for > themselves,.. > weird. > > It is now believed that the big bang itself is only a remnant of a collision > between > other galaxy's, earlier on,and Hubble is showing the acceptability of this > notion. > This notion has some advantages. > > 1)Multiversum,..William James, Hawking,75 % of science. > 2)nothing was created from nothing. > 3)all mass matter and energy was delivered by another event. > 4- )Hawking's statement about the conditions that generated the universe are > not there anymore, is true. > > > M-brane and brane's are an attempt to explore these fields mathematikally. > > 11 dimensions, sounds crazy? try this > > take an square cube, transparant, full of marble's filled to the max, all > transparant. > > observe it , in your mind , static.no movement. > now try to do this as a tought experiment, introduce speed and movement > into > the marbles. > > they can only rotate around eachother, there is no space for more.. > rotate them at light speed.......try to observe them in your mind. > > Now think of the empty spaces between the marbles, and try to describe the > form of the empty spaces again,..........right , strings and near branelike > behaviour. > > Now think of the multiversum, the many worlds interpretation of Everett > WJ,Hawking, Zurek, Green,...etc. > > Hubble is showing zillions of Galaxy's, black hole's...all rotating > > > 2010/12/20 118 <[email protected]> > >> Hi Marsha, >> >> Interesting. Personally I do not see how a religion would detract >> from mysticism. If anything it would seem to promote it. Religion is >> a true metaphysics, it has many guises. The explanations of religion >> are from the heart, not from the brain. When the brain gets involved, >> it makes religions seem silly. Perhaps it is the brain that is being >> silly. Creating all those artificial colors with star pictures is >> more like a painting. >> >> We still look up into the sky and wonder, it is a human thing to do. >> We can wonder at the rippling of a pond, or at a 3-D movie. They are >> all the same thing. Putting names to things seems to take the wonder >> away from some people, but even that process is one of wonder. >> >> Personally, I am not a big fan of the Hubble premise of an expanding >> universe. It is based on evolution, and the need for some kind of >> beginning. That the universe has always existed and in continually in >> flux makes more sense to me. This way one does not have to get stuck >> in these time paradoxes. But we generate ideas to fit things into our >> comfort level. The mystical is another such comfort level. It is >> great how we adapt, a wonder in itself. >> >> I am a big fan of astrology since I believe in the power of gravity on >> our awareness. Juxtapositions with the stars is as reasonable as a >> juxtaposition with our next meal. >> >> Cheers, >> Mark >> >> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 11:11 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Hi Mark, >> > >> > Not being a member of an organized religion, I do find the events in >> nature still mystical. I like to celebrate seasonal events, and the full >> moons and Sabbats seem the right place to remember that connection in a more >> formal way. >> > >> > The arrogance of science is sometimes amusing, at least the >> public-relations portion. But there are some truly beautiful offerings: >> > >> > http://hubblesite.org/hubble_discoveries/hubble_deep_field/ >> > >> > >> > Marsha >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Dec 20, 2010, at 1:07 AM, 118 wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Marsha, >> >> >> >> Thanks I'll check that out. >> >> >> >> Hey, to take a break from Astrology, I also found this in the same >> newspaper: >> >> >> >> "550 million year old oxygen enzyme explains animal life explosion." >> >> >> >> Now we do not have to worry about that one any more... >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> On Sun, Dec 19, 2010 at 6:45 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Tomorrow night: >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> For Pagans the full moon and Winter Solstice are powerful, >> spiritual times. This year the two have converged in an even more dynamic >> way. Not only will there be a full moon on Winter Solstice, but there will >> also be a total eclipse! >> >>> >> >>> There were full moons on Winter Solstice in 1980 and 1999 >> but the moon has not been eclipsed on winter solstice for almost four >> centuries. The last time this occurred, according to NASA, was in 1638 and >> it won’t happen again until 2094. The eclipse in 2094, however, won’t be >> visible to the western hemisphere. >> >>> >> >>> Don’t be confused by dates by looking for this rare >> occurrence on the night of the solstice, December 21st. The eclipse will >> occur in the early morning hours. The eclipse will begin a little after >> 1:00 AM in the morning on December 21st. For exact times look here. >> >>> >> >>> The powerful symbology of the divine masculine (the sun) >> covering and converging with the divine feminine (the moon) on the Winter >> Solstice needs no explanation. It speaks volumes of how to celebrate this >> rare and powerful celestial convergence. If you are already feeling the >> pull as this convergence grows nearer it likely is NOT your imagination! >> The Goddess as Luna has drawn her lover, the God as Sol, to her on this >> momentous occasion. In these hard times of a bitter winter and an even more >> bitter economy let us all pray this is a sign of fruitfulness in the year to >> come. >> >>> >> >>> Gather with friends or lovers and witness this beautiful and >> awe-inspiring spectacle. 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