Hi Ian,

Ian said:
Believing Dave to be holding the Jack of Spades (with no particular 
reasonable evidence) is hoping or guessing that something might be 
true, not holding that something IS true.

Matt:
Yes, one can distinguish between "believing" and "hoping or guessing" 
in this way.  However, for the purposes of those who follow Bain's 
description of belief as a habit of action, this is not the case.  "Belief" 
in these cases becomes the propositional form of mental items.  This 
becomes hairy philosophy of mind, but the idea is that not all "mental 
items" are beliefs, some are desires or hopes (for example), but all 
desires and hopes can be explicated as beliefs ("I _believe that_ I 
desire...") thus putting it into terms where we can discuss 
propositional knowing-that.

Why would you want to do this?  Because in instances of activating 
Bain's description of belief, one way we do this is by taking an action 
that was taken and attributing to the action-taker a belief (since 
belief is a habit of action, all actions qua action have a belief standing 
behind them).  For example, I drink a glass of water.  You might 
then attribute to me the belief that "if I am thirsty, then I should drink 
water."  Since I had just unreflectively drank water, after you make 
this explicit to me, I can say, "Hunh--I guess that's true."  The "true" 
is a term of endorsement.  The "true" marks the fact that it _is_ (in 
the sense you used "IS") a habit of action that I hold.

Now, here's where things become semantically interesting: "justified" 
is a term of endorsement, too.  Noticing this kind of thing is what 
leads you to say, "it is splitting pedantic hairs to either make, or insist 
in not making, the truth-justification distinction."  It is _certainly_ 
splitting semantic hairs (it is, after all, a semantic theory of language 
I am describing), but you say "pedantic" because you can't see what 
the use is, so this just looks like scholastic angel counting.  However, 
I tried to acknowledge the large overlap between "true" and 
"justified" as coeval terms of endorsement when I said, "In a lot of 
situations ... it doesn't matter whether you say that a belief is 
justified or true.  But sometimes it does."  The "sometimes" in 
question is in those situations where I have a habit of action, I have 
a mental item that is guiding my action, that turns out retroactively 
to be true, but was not at all justified.  Guesses and hopes that 
guide are actions are two kinds of mental items that, when put into 
propositional form, might end up being true beliefs, but not justified 
and therefore we were right, but not guided by knowledge.

They aren't the only mental items like that.  Much as atheists might 
like to say so, I don't think belief in God is best put (for most) as a 
guess-belief (maybe for Pascal) or hope-belief (maybe for the 
tragically afflicted wanting karmic revenge).  It is a belief, and it 
guides their action, and it is not justified by most canons of 
justification, but I won't find out whether the Mormons were being 
guided by a true or false belief until I end up in Hell.  And either 
way, it is not a form of commonly acknowledged knowledge that 
paved the Mormons' route to Heaven.  (I don't know what kind of 
sub-belief to call it: faith-belief?)  As you say, it is about hindsight, 
but Steve's thought experiments, I think, are a good selection of 
considerations for how we want to choose to deploy the words of 
our systematic vocabulary to deal with actual situations.  What 
Steve and I just rattled off are considerations in two areas: the 
distinction, if any, between knowledge and truth and the distinction, 
if any, between "true" and "justified."  If we think about it this way, 
we can say that because human inquiry was doing so well by the 
end of the 19th century in guiding our action, the early pragmatists 
tried, at the semantic level, to make the Greek episteme and 
aletheia human-looking and attainable (rather than the out of reach 
versions that Plato described).  And what philosophers like Donald 
Davidson have tried to emphasize is that, while we can and should 
make knowledge and truth human-looking, attempting to make 
"true" and "justified" able to do the other's work at all points 
("collapsing" them) looks a little inhuman.  It's the cautionary use 
of true, as Steve pointed out, that seems to disappear.  What 
could be more human, more destructive of hubris, then pointing 
out to the arrogantly confident, "Well, you might be justified, but is 
it true?"  The cautionary use of true codified in a semantic 
distinction between "true" and "justified" is just the semantic side 
of what Dewey described attitudinally as fallibilism. 

Does that make sense as a split semantic hair?  Is it still pedantic?

Perhaps it still is.  And most of the time, I certainly don't consider it.  
However, if there is any point to systematic understandings (as 
Pirsig's is an example of a kind of), we should be precise for when 
the occasions call for it.  For the rest, we can enjoy pragmatic 
fuzziness.

Matt
                                          
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