[Ian]
To Arlo, Do you not see "self" as an issue "behind things" here ?
[Arlo]
I think the self is a pragmatic construction, a useful illusion. But
I think such value patterns are as real as inorganic or biological patterns.
[Ian]
I ask because your points .... clearly Marsha finds a handle
pragmatically useful like the rest of us...
[Arlo]
Useful, yes. But also as "real" as rocks, birds and gravity.
[Ian]
... clearly objectifying the (named) individual is a pitfall the MoQ
intends us to avoid
[Arlo]
Objectifying? There is a reason the "self" perpetuates continuity, a
reason why you sign all your posts "Ian", is that "objectifying"?
Clearly Marsha insists on creating and maintaining a stable "self"
here, indeed she was quite bothered a while back when she felt that
some "posters" may be avatars for the same biological "person".
If she wants to talk about "MOQ-value" and the self, then the
patterns of continuity and persistence she exhibits and demands
should be addressed as well. Simply saying "no self" means nothing if
she doesn't understand this.
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