John, thanks for the clarification about your personal life issues. I am kindof out of touch with ... well, with the normal for sure, but even the abnormal here. I think I read things wrong for the opposite reasons of everyone else. Though I didn't read too closely, I thought you were pretty comfortable with the way things were progressing for you - though this is not to say that it was easy. The only thing I was confident on was my understanding that you were not ashamed.
> [John] So, back to the over-riding question: What progress? We are born, we > live, > we die. So I ask again with you, what progress? Horse envisions > progress > as the debate of politics and the MoQ. I think he's right on. That's > really where the progress lies - influencing people toward the good in a > mass way. I vote we go that way, [SNIP] [Tim] well, I am skeptical of 'progress' from the get go. I do have a hope for some future in which men treat each other well, behave morally. IF this is 'progress' I am all for it, but I'm not sure that this is the gist of 'progress' as commonly used. The idea of morality is as old as man, and I think the potential for morality doesn't really hinge on material standards. That being said, the fact that the world is now full might just be the impetus that was needed to cause man to decide that morality is worth trying. OR it could go way wrong. Or it could go okay (in a way that doesn't appeal much to me, but if most people are down for it, I'll serve my time and leave them in peace). Anyway, I view this more as a phase change than progress, but if we want to call it progress I wont object. so, I too think Horse is on point with his desire to discuss politics. Particularly so if by 'politics' we mean the wide field covering any coercive treatment of one person by another. That is, I've said to you before that if I try to imagine a 'heaven' it would be anarchy: people behaving morally on their own, recognizing that this is also the most selfish thing they could desire. take care, Tim -- [email protected] -- http://www.fastmail.fm - A no graphics, no pop-ups email service Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
