Hi Craig, You present a list of choices below. Some may take from this the implication that the individual or social can guide the intellectual level. I would have to say that the intellectual level progresses despite our individual intellect. However, your post does provide an apparition of the intellectual level at work. I am sure that you have many Arete reasons for providing the list below, from a personal perspective. However, the intellectual level guides (and culls) such attempts, albeit in a fashion which we cannot comprehend. We cannot control its directions any more than we can control the nature of the solar system. This is not necessarily putting the intellectual level in a place of absolute power, for although we can direct the inorganic level to do what we think we want (human tools of civilization), we have no ultimate control over it.
The distinction I am providing is one between individual or group intellect, and the intellectual level. Certainly we can proclaim that the intellectual level is under the control of human intellect, but, based on the level hierarchy that is not the case. The intellectual level can be appreciated in hindsight by noting patterns of human progression emerge, however, this is not something that is directed in real time by the individual or social levels. The fallacy is thinking that the intellectual level is the product of human intellect. This would be akin to saying that the human intellect is the product of choices at the inorganic level. While the inorganic level does serve as a basis for the creation of such a level, human consciousness is is not the sum total of inorganic makings. There is a leap between levels which can be analogized by a new purpose. No matter how humans try to control the direction of the intellectual level they are unable to do so since it is outside of them. Likewise, the intellectual level cannot control human intellect, in the same way we cannot control the basic forces of physics. We can harness such forces and provide direction and, by analogy, the intellectual level has the same relationship with our personal intellects. The consciousness of the intellectual level is in no way directly related to individual consciousness, in the same way that human consciousness is not directly related to the conscious inorganic level. This is not to say that lists and suggestions as you have provided below are not of value, to the contrary, they are indications of the intellectual level at work. It is the sense of any control over such a level that is illusionary. Again, I am not making a God of the intellectual level, in the same way that we are not gods of the inorganic level. I am sure that I am preaching to the converted with this post, however, it is always good to keep perspective so that we don't have to fight illusions (or windmills). Please excuse this aggrandizing intrusion. Cheers, Mark On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 3:33 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Perhaps a good way for the MoQ to approach an intellectually-guided > economy, is to list characteristics that we do/don't want: > consumer choice > competition > profit > money > greed > copyrights/patents/trademarks > contracts > private property > advertising > free markets > taxes > tariffs > torts > charity > Then consider how we would support/require/prohibit/allow these. > IMHO just railing about economic "systems" seems unproductive. > Craig > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
