Hi Ian, On Mar 29, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
> Hmmm, on two counts. I knew you knew, just thought your question confusing. > > Aristotle wrote plenty - treatises. (The organisation into the books > with the titles we know, was in many cases retrospective, but I've not > seen any suggestions - even in SEP for example - that the texts which > survive are not his contemporary greek text, whoever actually did the > scribing. Do you have a source for him not approving of their written > form ?) About the it being Aristotle who disliked writing philosophy I was probably wrong. i was more likely Socrates. - The part about Aristotle not writing himself I still believe to be true. From Wiki "Although he wrote dialogues early in his career, no more than fragments of these have survived. The works of Aristotle that still exist today are in treatise form and were, for the most part, unpublished texts. These were probably lecture notes or texts used by his students, and were almost certainly revised repeatedly over the course of years. As a result, these works tend to be eclectic, dense and difficult to read." I heard it stated recently by a philosophy professor that these could be considered like class notes taken for study purposes. > Your question was about Abrahamic fitering (since their original > composition by the "composite" Aristotle.) ... It wasn't a question, and is more a matter of interpretation and translation. This points back to the comments by Margaret Atwood that I posted and there being different interpretations of a literary text. Marsha > > On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 4:32 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> In a recent post Adrie was speaking of Aristotle and than switched to the >> Pheadrus >> without any mention of a new philosopher. I do are knowledge of Socrates >> comes mainly from Plato with some mention by Aristophanes in The Clouds. >> >> Aristotle did not believe in written works. It is my understanding that the >> works we have were from his school, but not directly written by him. If I >> remember correctly, the Nicomachean Ethics was written by his son. >> >> >> >> On Mar 29, 2011, at 11:21 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote: >> >>> You must surely have confused Aristotle with Socrates in your original >>> question Marsha ? >>> >>> Anything attributed to Socrates was written by Plato (and others) >>> Aristotle was his own man (student of Plato) and wrote himself >>> extensively (Poetics, Nicomachean Ethics, etc ...) - a lot more than >>> "notes". >>> >>> Most of what we have from either (Plato or Aristotle) was preserved >>> through the studies and writings (and translations into Arabic and >>> then Latin) of Islamist scholars, but of course the (preserved) Greek >>> originals have also been translated many times since - ask Pirsig >>> about McKeon for example ;-) >>> >>> I wouldn't be surprised if there are translations from the original >>> Greek in the languages of Hindu, Buddhist and other oriental cultures >>> available if you look, but no doubt all the ones "we" read have come >>> from the Abrahamic (Judaism, Christian, Islamic) and atheistic >>> cultures. >>> >>> Now what was your question again ? >>> Ian >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 3:23 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Adrie, >>>> >>>> There is a difference between ancient Greek and modern Greek. Is you >>>> wife a philologist? Has Turkey a different religion than either Islamic, >>>> Jewish or Christian, because I understand all three to be considered of the >>>> Abrahamic traditions? The Pheadrus that I've read was written by Plato. >>>> What version of the Pheadrus by Aristotle are you referencing? >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 29, 2011, at 9:21 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote: >>>> >>>>> Actually, my wife is Turkish, capable of reading Greec, and because of her >>>>> being Islamic,she is not really owning an Abrahamic filter. >>>>> >>>>> But the rest is correct, Aristotle left nothing behind,The Phaedrus was >>>>> never >>>>> written down,and Socrates was actually a clown. >>>>> Pirsig never wrote a book,he was just sailing all the time,inventing >>>>> monisms. >>>>> >>>>> If you go on like this , Marsha, i will loose my respect for you. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2011/3/29 MarshaV <[email protected]> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It is my understanding that we have no written works composed by >>>>>> Aristotle. >>>>>> We do have notes of his lectures composed by others. In addition, even >>>>>> if >>>>>> you were a philologist and could read these original notes in the ancient >>>>>> Greek language, I doubt that the connotations associated with these works >>>>>> having been for centuries filtered through the Abrahamic traditions >>>>>> could be >>>>>> removed from your consciousness. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ___ ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
