Hello everyone On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 11:40 AM, John Carl <[email protected]> wrote: > Ho Dan, > > Sorry for the delays. Spring is here and I've less free time on my hands > than olden days. I'll try and make it count. > > ("for a change", I hear you mutterin'...)
Hi John Good of you to take the time. > > >> >> Dan: >> If you have to choose to care, isn't that a definition of determinism? >> You're saying you HAVE to do something in order to care. You are >> setting up a predetermined precondition for caring! >> >> >JohN > You don't have to choose to care. But you can. It's an optional choice. Dan: But John, that isn't what you said: John: Me! I noticed that freewill is Quality. I've been saying it for some time now. Has anybody noticed? Ron noticed. Does anybody care? You have to choose... to care. Dan comments: To the extent that we follow static quality, there is no choice. By following Dynamic Quality, we are free. This does not tranlate into freewill is Quality, however. Choosing is a static quality decision bound up within social and intellectual (cultural) constraints. Having to choose does not translate into free will. John: > You have to choose caring, if you want life, but many people don't > particulary care about life, and they don't choose to care, nor do they > choose to believe in a cosmos where choice is possible. That's their choice > and they can't be argued out of it because it's a choice deeper than > intellect. Dan: You mean it is a social choice? I am not sure I follow. >John: > So I am setting up a "predetermined precondition for caring" - choice. > Choice is the predetermined precondition for caring. Choice is > co-fundamental with Quality. That's my point. I think it agrees with RMP, > because he took the realization of Choice as solved by the MoQ, and I don't > know if he means in exactly the same way I'm describing, but I believe it > does prove a solution so I pretty much agree there. Dan: Okay. I can go along with this. Both free will and determinism are seen as correct within the MOQ. Thank you for caring, Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
