Hi Andre, On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 12:39 PM, Andre Broersen <[email protected]> wrote: > Mark to Andre: > > Are you trying to form an enemy camp? > > Andre: > No.
[Mark] Good > > Mark: > I noticed you did not use my whole quote, any reason for that? > > Andre: > I thought it summed up your ideas pretty well. I do not see the value of > using 'context and intention' when all you seem to see is change. To repeat > just two lines: 'Even the way in which the pattern is changing, is changing. > Even this change is changing'. > > For all I know your context and intention are changing as well, so paying > attention to them seems futile. [Mark] Fair enough, welcome to the world of Quality. > > Mark: > What is with this tactic of bringing in Pirsig bashing? > > Andre: > You didn't answer my question, which was: Where does Mr. Pirsig suggest that > sq is not real? [Mark] I did answer your question. > > Mark: > Yes, the analogy is one of change and persistence.Dynamic quality does not > persist as you imply by your construing it as an object in your paragraph > above. I guess this is the static dynamic you are > talking about. What exactly is that? I would say that the expressions of > the dynamic are incorporated into the static; perhaps the word implication > is appropriate here. > > Andre: > I took it from LILA, p 119, chapter 9 (in my copy of the book). [Mark] You didn't answer my question. > > Mark: > Yes, dynamic quality is expressed in the emotions. > > Andre: > Emotions are a biological response to quality and not the same thing as > quality. (Annot. 141 LC) [Mark] Which is why I use the word expressed. Nothing is the same as Quality, Quality is not a subject. > > Andre had said: Where am I doing to hang my hat? to which Mark replied: > Now you are proposing a God in the form of dynamic quality that goes around > changing things. How do we pray to such a thing to bring things into our > favor? Will sacrifices do? I'm speechless, now you > want children sacrificed. Wow! Where am I going to hang my hat? > > Andre: > What an outburst of hogwash Mark. How on earth you end up with these > observations I do not know. [Mark] My outburst simply matched yours, intention for intention. > > I was referring to the perceived un-reality of sq...you know, a contraption > made for putting or hanging one's hat on...you know made of one of those in- > or organic patterns of value...which aren't real. > [Mark] Again, Pirsig divides Quality up into the dynamic and the static for the purposes of providing insight into what he is aware of. For this he uses metaphysical scalpels. So, my question to you (once again) is: how real is sq to you? At least then I can see what you mean by unreality. You can dither all you want, but at least answer the question, it was not rhetorical. Thanks, Mark > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
