John to Andre: I wasn't saying DQ isn't real. I was saying that sq isn't. The realization that sq isn't real, is what lies at the heart of a true MoQ realization.
Andre: Ahh, is this a trend I notice? Marsha, Mark and now you, John, suggest that 'all' is ever-changing and, I presume, therefore not real. Only DQ is. As Mark remarked:'The pattern is continually changing depending on who is doing the thinking. Even the way in which the pattern is changing, is changing. Even this change is changing. That fact that things are changing is changing. Change is not static, it is dynamic'. Well, I have said some silly things on this discuss but, really, this takes the cake. Where, may I ask does Pirsig suggest that sq is not real? Or doesn't Mr. Pirsig matter anymore? John: Hmm... that does make sense to me and I think clears things up a bit. So arguing this with you has helped me, imo. Do you get what I mean by sq's meaning containing the implication of DQ? Andre: Thank you for helping me/you John, I appreciate it. As for the latter part:no, I do not get what you mean. Static patterns do not 'contain the implication of DQ'. Static patterns do not change in and of themselves. It's values don't change by themselves. Only Dynamic Quality can alter them and if that doesn't happen they keep on saying the same things year after year. Remember the Zuni brujo story? 'If you had asked the brujo what ethical principles he was following he probably wouldn't have been able to tell you. He wouldn't have understood what you were talking about. He was just following some vague sense of 'betterness' that he couldn't have defined if he wanted to.'(LILA, p 118) I was almost reluctant to quote anything from Pirsig since I strongly believe that you and Marsha, Mark and Mary (forgotten anyone?...perhaps Joe, who considers DQ to be emotions or is it the other way around?)consider his writings on the MOQ obsolete because ancient, old-fashioned, superseded by your own, far more powerful interpretation and thereby creating far more explanatory power for the entire universe and personal living of life in the dreariness of living it (paraphrasing Freud). I am almost at a loss for words. Change for change's sake. Wow! Where am I going to hang my hat? Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
