Hi Mark,
> Do I sense a hint of sarcasm here?
Moi? shirley you jest.
> Perhaps disdain for the spiritual?
> If we follow the path that Pirsig discusses starting with Plato, this
> is where we end up. Welcome to the 21st Century in Western
> civilization.
I believe that is one of his more recent interviews or commentaries Pirsig
noted that their is no place in the MoQ for "spirit" or "faith"
>When one attempts to place Truth above Quality, we then
> create a disdain for the spiritual. Even Nietzsche talks of this. To
> ask for Truth in God is the same thing as asking for Truth of Quality,
> they are both nonsense inquiries.
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:05 PM, David Thomas
> <[email protected]> wrote:
>> On 4/6/11 3:23 PM, "118" <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Bobhism has been around for a long time, since about 600 AD.
>> [Dave]
>> So for you, Bob is Buddha incarnate. Sweet...........
>
> Well Dave, if you study Buddhism, you will learn that we are all
> incarnates of Buddha. We just have to realize that. As you know,
> Buddha was not his real name, but one given to him as a result of his
> enlightenment. That we can all achieve Buddhahood is indeed Sweet for
> many who want to go that way.
>
> As you know, Buddha lived about one thousand years before the time I
> provide above. No, I was referring to the rise of Zen in China. If
> you are saying that Pirsig is against Zen, then perhaps you are
> mistaken. Just a guess.
>>
>>> The early Zen Buddhists did not want people following scripture, or
>>> praying to idols or other people.
>> [Dave]
>> "Bobhism" is to Buddhism as Mormon is to Christian. Religions one and all
>> however.
>
> [Mark]
> Just curious, is the word religion being used in a derogatory sense
> here? I am just trying to understand you intentions with that above.
> Again, if you are saying that Pirsig does not ascribe to Zen, then you
> have not read interviews he has given. I am not sure what you mean by
> religion. Buddhism is a philosophy, how does it become a religion?
> Is it because people believe in it? If you believe in MoQ, does that
> make you religious? Or perhaps there is a fine differentiation that
> you make here. What would that be? Your knowledge of religion seems
> to be limited to dogma and not any personal experience. I could speak
> of parachuting in the same way.
>>
>>> That was an extreme anathema and
>>> demonstrated that such deciples were misled and caught up in words.
>>> Living in Quality has no words, it can't. We do not have enough time
>>> while we are in the present moment. Having said this, speaking is
>>> dynamic quality in action. This is not a paradox, it simply points to
>>> dynamic quality. Dynamic Quality is right now.
>
>> [Dave]
>> Oh, just go on and say it, Bob would've if he could've, "DQ IS GOD!", minus
>> the fuzzy white beard of course.
>> An individual personal God that is "just what you like", minus the "just" of
>> course. All you need is the will to believe.
>
> [Mark]
> Oh, oh, have I been trapped here? What do you believe in Dave? How
> much of it is will, and how much of it is brainwashing? Do you
> believe that what Pirsig proposes is good? Again, it would seem that
> your interpretation of God IS a fuzzy white beard. Go ahead, continue
> on the Western path and dismiss MoQ, it is all the same to me.
>
> It would appear that certain words evoke a reflex in your head. With
> that understanding, I could refrain from bringing up the word God, and
> just call it Quality. So, in that effort, I will say that DQ is
> Quality. Do you have a problem with that?
>
>
> Best!
> Mark
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