Ron:
>
> Dan,
> In my own opinion freedom from choice
> is like not taking any responsibility for your
> actions.
Dan:
I'm sorry, Ron, but this simply doesn't make sense. When we follow
static quality patterns we are without choice. That is the ultimate
accountability factor, in my opinion. We either do it or we don't
survive. So what I see you saying is: I have choices so I do not have
to take on the responsibility of doing what is better. I can do what I
want. I can drink only single malt whiskey. That is my choice.
Now tell me... how can a person argue with that?
Ron:
Again you are talking about intellectual patterns
and quotes regarding intellectual patterns and applying
it as a an arguement against what John and I are saying
within the larger context of Quality being value and linking
value to choice. I have explained the reasons why I think
this is a truer interpretation.
You have made the arguement for freedom from choice linked
to dynamic Quality and no choice linked to static Quality and
you do not understand why I see contradiction in that along
with squaring those concepts with the continuity of the remainder
of Pirsigs works.
You claim that I am not disagreeing with you but with the MoQ
there is only one. That means there is only one way to correctly
interpret it. How else would you make this claim unless you honostly felt you
possesed the interpretation?
Basically I think that the idea of the MoQ pointing to freedom from choice
is the MoQ pointing to sitting on our ass and doing nothing.
Which is not what I get when I read Pirsig.
We are argueing two differing interpretations my own and your own.
I have rooted my explanation in continuity and you seem to have in interpretive
legitimacy.
So with this in mind,
Dan:
I'm sorry, Ron, but this simply doesn't make sense. When we follow
static quality patterns we are without choice. That is the ultimate
accountability factor, in my opinion. We either do it or we don't
survive.
Ron:
I guess what you dont see is that you just offered a choice as your example
"do it or don't survive" thats a choice.
Dan:
So what I see you saying is: I have choices so I do not have
to take on the responsibility of doing what is better. I can do what I
want. I can drink only single malt whiskey. That is my choice.
Ron:
No I'm saying since it is all choice, all the way down, we would do well to
choose
in regard to the perpetuating the choices it requires to exist. I'm saying that
this is
the explanation of the basis of a moral reality I'm saying that existence is
nothing
but those choices and like you said, the ultimate responsibility, now,,,
How does freedom from choice figure into this context of moral responsibity?
Dan:
Now tell me... how can a person argue with that?
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