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----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 8:12:48 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom from choice So what is it you have? On Apr 11, 2011, at 7:58 AM, X Acto wrote: > Marsha, > sounds to me like you have a whole lot of nothing. > -Ron > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 6:51:56 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom from choice > > > Ron, > > I have: not this, not that. So what is it you have? > > > Marsha > > > > On Apr 11, 2011, at 6:24 AM, X Acto wrote: > >> Quite right Marsha it's all we have, >> >> >> explain that to Dan >> >> wait, no you wont because you are too afraid to disagree with him. >> >> why is that? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 6:16:11 AM >> Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom from choice >> >> >> Ron, >> >> And each step along the way to your "continuity" is >> an act of interpretation, relative to your static history >> and the dynamics of the immediate experience. >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:56 AM, X Acto wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Ron: >>>> >>>> Dan, >>>> In my own opinion freedom from choice >>>> is like not taking any responsibility for your >>>> actions. >>> >>> Dan: >>> I'm sorry, Ron, but this simply doesn't make sense. When we follow >>> static quality patterns we are without choice. That is the ultimate >>> accountability factor, in my opinion. We either do it or we don't >>> survive. So what I see you saying is: I have choices so I do not have >>> to take on the responsibility of doing what is better. I can do what I >>> want. I can drink only single malt whiskey. That is my choice. >>> >>> Now tell me... how can a person argue with that? >>> >>> Ron: >>> Again you are talking about intellectual patterns >>> and quotes regarding intellectual patterns and applying >>> it as a an arguement against what John and I are saying >>> within the larger context of Quality being value and linking >>> value to choice. I have explained the reasons why I think >>> this is a truer interpretation. >>> >>> You have made the arguement for freedom from choice linked >>> to dynamic Quality and no choice linked to static Quality and >>> you do not understand why I see contradiction in that along >>> with squaring those concepts with the continuity of the remainder >>> of Pirsigs works. >>> >>> You claim that I am not disagreeing with you but with the MoQ >>> there is only one. That means there is only one way to correctly >>> interpret it. How else would you make this claim unless you honostly felt you >>> possesed the interpretation? >>> >>> Basically I think that the idea of the MoQ pointing to freedom from choice >>> is the MoQ pointing to sitting on our ass and doing nothing. >>> >>> Which is not what I get when I read Pirsig. >>> >>> We are argueing two differing interpretations my own and your own. >>> I have rooted my explanation in continuity and you seem to have in >> interpretive >>> legitimacy. >>> >>> So with this in mind, >>> >>> Dan: >>> I'm sorry, Ron, but this simply doesn't make sense. When we follow >>> static quality patterns we are without choice. That is the ultimate >>> accountability factor, in my opinion. We either do it or we don't >>> survive. >>> >>> Ron: >>> I guess what you dont see is that you just offered a choice as your example >>> "do it or don't survive" thats a choice. >>> >>> Dan: >>> So what I see you saying is: I have choices so I do not have >>> to take on the responsibility of doing what is better. I can do what I >>> want. I can drink only single malt whiskey. That is my choice. >>> >>> Ron: >>> No I'm saying since it is all choice, all the way down, we would do well to >>> choose >>> in regard to the perpetuating the choices it requires to exist. I'm saying >>> that >>> >>> >>> >>> this is >>> the explanation of the basis of a moral reality I'm saying that existence >>> is >>> nothing >>> but those choices and like you said, the ultimate responsibility, now,,, >>> How does freedom from choice figure into this context of moral responsibity? >>> >>> >>> Dan: >>> Now tell me... how can a person argue with that? ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
