but thats the choice you make
----- Original Message ---- From: MarshaV <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 4:52:23 AM Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom from choice Not being an Aristotelian, it is not a matter of choosing either DQ or sq. For me sq is not other than DQ. I accept both. On Apr 11, 2011, at 4:35 PM, X Acto wrote: > choice > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 8:12:48 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom from choice > > > > So what is it you have? > > > > On Apr 11, 2011, at 7:58 AM, X Acto wrote: > >> Marsha, >> sounds to me like you have a whole lot of nothing. >> -Ron >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 6:51:56 AM >> Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom from choice >> >> >> Ron, >> >> I have: not this, not that. So what is it you have? >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >> On Apr 11, 2011, at 6:24 AM, X Acto wrote: >> >>> Quite right Marsha it's all we have, >>> >>> >>> explain that to Dan >>> >>> wait, no you wont because you are too afraid to disagree with him. >>> >>> why is that? >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 6:16:11 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom from choice >>> >>> >>> Ron, >>> >>> And each step along the way to your "continuity" is >>> an act of interpretation, relative to your static history >>> and the dynamics of the immediate experience. >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:56 AM, X Acto wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Ron: >>>>> >>>>> Dan, >>>>> In my own opinion freedom from choice >>>>> is like not taking any responsibility for your >>>>> actions. >>>> >>>> Dan: >>>> I'm sorry, Ron, but this simply doesn't make sense. When we follow >>>> static quality patterns we are without choice. That is the ultimate >>>> accountability factor, in my opinion. We either do it or we don't >>>> survive. So what I see you saying is: I have choices so I do not have >>>> to take on the responsibility of doing what is better. I can do what I >>>> want. I can drink only single malt whiskey. That is my choice. >>>> >>>> Now tell me... how can a person argue with that? >>>> >>>> Ron: >>>> Again you are talking about intellectual patterns >>>> and quotes regarding intellectual patterns and applying >>>> it as a an arguement against what John and I are saying >>>> within the larger context of Quality being value and linking >>>> value to choice. I have explained the reasons why I think >>>> this is a truer interpretation. >>>> >>>> You have made the arguement for freedom from choice linked >>>> to dynamic Quality and no choice linked to static Quality and >>>> you do not understand why I see contradiction in that along >>>> with squaring those concepts with the continuity of the remainder >>>> of Pirsigs works. >>>> >>>> You claim that I am not disagreeing with you but with the MoQ >>>> there is only one. That means there is only one way to correctly >>>> interpret it. How else would you make this claim unless you honostly felt > you >>>> possesed the interpretation? >>>> >>>> Basically I think that the idea of the MoQ pointing to freedom from choice >>>> is the MoQ pointing to sitting on our ass and doing nothing. >>>> >>>> Which is not what I get when I read Pirsig. >>>> >>>> We are argueing two differing interpretations my own and your own. >>>> I have rooted my explanation in continuity and you seem to have in >>> interpretive >>>> legitimacy. >>>> >>>> So with this in mind, >>>> >>>> Dan: >>>> I'm sorry, Ron, but this simply doesn't make sense. When we follow >>>> static quality patterns we are without choice. That is the ultimate >>>> accountability factor, in my opinion. We either do it or we don't >>>> survive. >>>> >>>> Ron: >>>> I guess what you dont see is that you just offered a choice as your example >>>> "do it or don't survive" thats a choice. >>>> >>>> Dan: >>>> So what I see you saying is: I have choices so I do not have >>>> to take on the responsibility of doing what is better. I can do what I >>>> want. I can drink only single malt whiskey. That is my choice. >>>> >>>> Ron: >>>> No I'm saying since it is all choice, all the way down, we would do well >>>> to >>>> choose >>>> in regard to the perpetuating the choices it requires to exist. I'm saying >>>> that >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> this is >>>> the explanation of the basis of a moral reality I'm saying that existence >>>> is > > >>>> nothing >>>> but those choices and like you said, the ultimate responsibility, now,,, >>>> How does freedom from choice figure into this context of moral responsibity? >>>> >>>> >>>> Dan: >>>> Now tell me... how can a person argue with that? > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
