DQ is the fundamental nature of sq. There's no choice involved.
On Apr 14, 2011, at 7:55 AM, X Acto wrote: > but thats the choice you make > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: MarshaV <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, April 14, 2011 4:52:23 AM > Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom from choice > > > > Not being an Aristotelian, it is not a matter of choosing either DQ or sq. > For me sq is not other than DQ. I accept both. > > > > > On Apr 11, 2011, at 4:35 PM, X Acto wrote: > >> choice >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 8:12:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom from choice >> >> >> >> So what is it you have? >> >> >> >> On Apr 11, 2011, at 7:58 AM, X Acto wrote: >> >>> Marsha, >>> sounds to me like you have a whole lot of nothing. >>> -Ron >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ---- >>> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 6:51:56 AM >>> Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom from choice >>> >>> >>> Ron, >>> >>> I have: not this, not that. So what is it you have? >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 11, 2011, at 6:24 AM, X Acto wrote: >>> >>>> Quite right Marsha it's all we have, >>>> >>>> >>>> explain that to Dan >>>> >>>> wait, no you wont because you are too afraid to disagree with him. >>>> >>>> why is that? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ---- >>>> From: MarshaV <[email protected]> >>>> To: [email protected] >>>> Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 6:16:11 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Freedom from choice >>>> >>>> >>>> Ron, >>>> >>>> And each step along the way to your "continuity" is >>>> an act of interpretation, relative to your static history >>>> and the dynamics of the immediate experience. >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:56 AM, X Acto wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Ron: >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan, >>>>>> In my own opinion freedom from choice >>>>>> is like not taking any responsibility for your >>>>>> actions. >>>>> >>>>> Dan: >>>>> I'm sorry, Ron, but this simply doesn't make sense. When we follow >>>>> static quality patterns we are without choice. That is the ultimate >>>>> accountability factor, in my opinion. We either do it or we don't >>>>> survive. So what I see you saying is: I have choices so I do not have >>>>> to take on the responsibility of doing what is better. I can do what I >>>>> want. I can drink only single malt whiskey. That is my choice. >>>>> >>>>> Now tell me... how can a person argue with that? >>>>> >>>>> Ron: >>>>> Again you are talking about intellectual patterns >>>>> and quotes regarding intellectual patterns and applying >>>>> it as a an arguement against what John and I are saying >>>>> within the larger context of Quality being value and linking >>>>> value to choice. I have explained the reasons why I think >>>>> this is a truer interpretation. >>>>> >>>>> You have made the arguement for freedom from choice linked >>>>> to dynamic Quality and no choice linked to static Quality and >>>>> you do not understand why I see contradiction in that along >>>>> with squaring those concepts with the continuity of the remainder >>>>> of Pirsigs works. >>>>> >>>>> You claim that I am not disagreeing with you but with the MoQ >>>>> there is only one. That means there is only one way to correctly >>>>> interpret it. How else would you make this claim unless you honostly felt >> you >>>>> possesed the interpretation? >>>>> >>>>> Basically I think that the idea of the MoQ pointing to freedom from >>>>> choice >>>>> is the MoQ pointing to sitting on our ass and doing nothing. >>>>> >>>>> Which is not what I get when I read Pirsig. >>>>> >>>>> We are argueing two differing interpretations my own and your own. >>>>> I have rooted my explanation in continuity and you seem to have in >>>> interpretive >>>>> legitimacy. >>>>> >>>>> So with this in mind, >>>>> >>>>> Dan: >>>>> I'm sorry, Ron, but this simply doesn't make sense. When we follow >>>>> static quality patterns we are without choice. That is the ultimate >>>>> accountability factor, in my opinion. We either do it or we don't >>>>> survive. >>>>> >>>>> Ron: >>>>> I guess what you dont see is that you just offered a choice as your >>>>> example >>>>> "do it or don't survive" thats a choice. >>>>> >>>>> Dan: >>>>> So what I see you saying is: I have choices so I do not have >>>>> to take on the responsibility of doing what is better. I can do what I >>>>> want. I can drink only single malt whiskey. That is my choice. >>>>> >>>>> Ron: >>>>> No I'm saying since it is all choice, all the way down, we would do well >>>>> to > >>>>> choose >>>>> in regard to the perpetuating the choices it requires to exist. I'm >>>>> saying that >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> this is >>>>> the explanation of the basis of a moral reality I'm saying that existence >>>>> is >> >> >>>>> nothing >>>>> but those choices and like you said, the ultimate responsibility, now,,, >>>>> How does freedom from choice figure into this context of moral > responsibity? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Dan: >>>>> Now tell me... how can a person argue with that? >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> >> >> >> >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > > > ___ > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
