On 4/26/11 5:06 PM, "Ham Priday" <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Joe --
>
>
>
>> In SOM, only substance exists. Quality is the first accident modifying
>> substance and only has existence in a substance. In SOM evolution is
>> meaningless.
>>
>> I observe evolution when Pirsig rightly observed that existence is not
>> unique in an individual, but that there are levels in existence DQ/SQ in
>> an
>> individual. Quality is a noun.
>>
>> How can we know the undefined exists, so that we envision the adjective
>> "Quality" morph into the the noun "Quality"? An answer is evolution,
>> "levels in existence". ...
>
> Unless the time sequence is irrelevant in your ontology (interpretation),
> the chronology you've laid out is as follows:
>
> 1) Substance is modified by an "accident" called Quality.
Joe:
This is my understanding of SOM in which only Substance has real existence,
everything else is a modifier (accident which receives its existence from
the substance).
> 2) Repetition of this accident thoughout existence creates several levels
> of Quality.
Joe:
You are playing with the word "accident" which means non-essential and
conclude that it must receive is existence from the other. Quality is not
an accident since it has its own existence in MOQ through evolution which is
defined as levels in existence.
> 3) Quality (the adjective) morphs into Quality (the noun) by the process of
> evolution.
Joe:
This is a birds eye metaphysics which can be read in many ways. In MOQ
DQ/SQ represent different levels in existence, one indefinable yet knowable
like emotions, the other definable like intellectual concepts.
> Concerning step 2, I'm not sure this represents your view because I don't
> really understand your second paragraph. For example, what do you mean by
> "existence is not unique in an individual?" Isn't it obvious that other
> entities exist? Also, there seems to be something grammatically missing in
> your statement; "...there are levels in existence DQ/SQ in an individual."
> Could you explain that for me?
Joe:
In an ontology Time (a measure of change) is immaterial to the principle of
change. In evolution before and after are timeless in a DQ/SQ metaphysical
description which in MOQ are levels in existence. Continuation is time
sensitive only in first and last.
>> An epistemology in which only "Substance" exists is not
>> metaphysical. Emotions exist differently than the substance
>> of SOM in being indefinable. Metaphysics is DQ/SQ reality,
>> two different levels of nouns defined, undefined.
>> This enables further evolution and a clearer metaphysics for
>> reality. The Sun exists differently than I do, and supports life
>> quite beyond my futile endeavors, the solar system.
>
> You lost me after "metaphysical". Are you saying that emotions are
> indefinable, or that they are not metaphysically definable? How does
> metaphysics "enable further evolution"? I would think that evolution only
> applies to the material (substantive) world. Is this Pirsig's concept that
> Quality moves to "betterness"?
>
> I'll be interested in your clarification of this ontology.
>
Joe:
Emotions are indefinable yet we cognize them. They embody a level in
existence different from the defined concepts of the intellectual level.
Emotions follow my individuality, and only when they are totally repressed
or disarranged am I subject to reprisals for criminal activity when I have
no defense for what I did, or wanted. The jury system of law exemplifies
the difficulty of judgment, and maybe the jury will understand.
> Thanks, Joe.
> Ham
Right back at you!
Joe
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