Hi DMB,

> Steve said:
> Pirsig's view does not postulate an autonomous agent as a fundamental premise 
> that wills this and that, and so free will of the classical sort is denied by 
> the MOQ.
>
>
> dmb says:
> That's true. But the MOQ also divides DQ from sq, which is the distinction 
> between the quality of freedom and the quality of order. It's very different 
> from the free will-determinism debate but freedom and order still play an 
> important role. I think they're supposed to be partners, not opposed options.

Steve:
I should have noted above that the MOQ also denies the determinism
horn of the supposed dilemma as well. Causality is an intellectual
pattern in the MOQ understanding. Neither an autonomous agent nor a
causal chain is posited as a fundamental premise.

As a pragmatism, the question also gets dissolved when you consider
the question, what would I choose in this particular situation if I
thought I did not have a choice versus if I thought that I do have a
choice? A difference has to make a difference, but there is no
difference here.

Best,
Steve
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