Hi Ham, Steve: >> I'm just saying that the future follows from the present which >> follows from the past to the extent that we can tell stories about >> how we got from the past to the present in terms of causes and >> effects and constantly work on improving those stories to better >> enable us to predict the future. >> >> I don't think we will ever get very good at predicting the future >> though we have a good mastery of some situations which can >> be well-described by simple laws from physics.
Ham: > You are still talking causality, Steve. This rationale is tantamount to > saying that human life follows from cellular organisms which follow from > inorganic matter in the chain of evolution. Steve: Yes, but causality in an MOQ view is not some sterile value-free phenomenon. Causality is "B values precondition A." Ham: > Human civilization does not > advance by causal evolution but by the will of free people who determine > their own history. Steve: History is always a back-ward looking perspective from which we can always tell stories in terms of causes and effects, actions and consequences to explain how we got from then to now. The MOQ denies determinism since these stories are not fundamental to reality. Such story telling is a late evolutionary development. The MOQ also denies a traditional view of free will since it denies the positing of an autonomous agent as a keySOM bad move in constructing a metaphysical system. The I that is the supposed possessor of free will is a fiction. Pirsig: "This self-appointed little editor of reality is just an impossible fiction that collapses the moment one examines it. This Cartesian 'Me' is a software reality, not a hardware reality. This body on the left and this body on the right are running variations of the same program, the same 'Me,' which doesn't belong to either of them. The 'Me's' are simply a program format." (LILA) Best, Steve Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
