On May 11, 2011, at 9:23 AM, Arlo Bensinger wrote:
> [Marsha]
> Are a human having assimilating language against a feral human the only two
> choices.
>
> [Arlo]
> Do you have a third choice?
Marsha:
There is a state of experience beyond language. I think it is accessible to
yogis and buddhas,
and to some who meditate. One can quiet down to a purer knowing without the
mind's
constant narration.
> [Marsha]
> Does your theory hinge on this type of exaggeration?
>
> [Arlo]
> Give me some other options and I'll let you know. Seems to me that, within a
> MOQ, the path is biological (feral), social (languaged)... I don't see an
> alternative path. If you do, by all means, let me know. Can you name a single
> social pattern that is not mediated in some way by a symbolic "language"? I
> can't.
Have you constrained this concept to the social? One an lift off that hot
stove...
> [Marsha]
> What ideas are you trying to present?
>
> [Arlo]
> Don't you read my words?
Marsha:
I'm not as bright as you, but I cannot see where you are stating anything new.
RMP has already said both DQ and sq are important for harmonious patterns.
I still do not understand where "agency" comes into the picture. I'm sensing
an
unstated 'autonomous little homunculus,' but I could be wrong.
> [Marsha]
> There is a language aspect to patterns... Duh...
>
> [Arlo]
> ?? This makes no sense. What is a "language aspect to patterns"?
Static quality is about anything that can be conceptualized. I would
think there is an interdependence between concept and language.
There is at the very least a name given to a pattern. But what here is
new? And where is this "agency"?
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