On May 11, 2011, at 10:58 AM, Arlo Bensinger wrote:

> [Marsha]
> Mark has it right, "words" are a kind of imprisonment.
> 
> [Arlo]
> Mark, and you, have it half-right. No one said language was not constraining, 
> not me, not any of the structuration theorists I mentioned. Of course it is. 
> So you if focus on *that*, of course words can seem like a prison.
> 
> But, think about all the things you are able to do each day BECAUSE of 
> language. You can read poems. You can post youtube links on a metaphysics 
> forum. You can learn to drive a motorcycle (indeed, motorcylces can be 
> built!) and drive across the country. You can read LILA. You can go shopping. 
> You can play chess or checkers.
> 
> And when you see this, you will understand that, like I've been saying all 
> along, language (or any "structure") is both enabling and constraining. They 
> allow us greater ranges of agency at the same time they constrain that same 
> range.
> 
> I'll take the "imprisonment" aspect of "words" any day for the amazingly 
> great range of "freedom" such a structure also imparts.



]Marsha[ 
You are correct, and I am a very conventional woman.  Yes, some of this 
conventional chit-chat is good.  But this is a list devoted to metaphysics - 
the nature of reality - so bottom line:  there is no-thingness to know and 
no-self to know it...  And that, Sweet Arlo, is beyond words.   
 
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