Hi Ham, It is confusing. At one point Joe was stating that emotions were DQ. He has changed his position and now states that DQ/sq is an explanation for emotions. By this I think he means the interaction of DQ and sq.
On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Ham Priday <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Joe -- > > > I had asked for an explanation of what you meant by the statement > "In a DQ/SQ metaphysics there is something indefinable. > > You replied: >> >> ... I find the "indefinable" full of meaning, since it forces me to >> ask: How do I know? If I reply "I just know", and someone >> else says "I just know something different there is no way to >> resolve the conflict. In a DQ/SQ environment we can say >> "You are not looking at a metaphysical order" and the reply to >> that is that I am a dummox or full of it, or it's indefinable but >> I still know it since I am created knowing the indefinable, >> like emotions. >> >> As far as revealing the indefinable do you understand a DQ/SQ >> formulation of metaphysics as a more complete explanation of >> emotions? Or are emotions a girlish manifestation? > > I don't understand DQ/SQ as an explanation of "emotions" at all. Emotions > are psycho-somatic reactions to experienced events, such as joy, fear, > anguish, sadness, hatred, and compassion. As with most novelists, Pirsig > does not explicity refer to emotional responses in his narratives, but > leaves them to the reader's imagination. Nor does the MoQ define them as a > level or patterns of Quality. [Mark] I think that Joe is stating that emotions are the pre-intellectual sensibilities and are thus close to DQ. These are then defined through sq. > > Emotions are not gender-specific, as far as I know, so your reference to > "girlish" escapes me. But if you are hung up on emotions, or are looking > for a definitive description of human emotional response, I would suggest > psychology as a better source of information than philosophy. > > Certainly emotional feelings are a component of value sensibility as they > are in all experience. Since Value is the affinity of the negated self for > its estranged Source, the emotions involved are typically love, awe, or > desire. They express the state of the psyche on contemplating beauty, > goodness or virtue which experientially represent our need for spiritual > (i.e., essential) fulfillment and inspire us to seek their ultimate Source. > > I hope I've answered your question, Joe. [Mark] I think you did. I would like Joe, once again, to explain what he means by emotions. I think he is using the term in a nontraditional manner. Cheers, Mark > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
