On Jun 11, 2011, at 2:16 AM, Dan Glover wrote: > Hello everyone > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:59 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Greeting Dan, >> >> >> On Jun 10, 2011, at 11:52 PM, Dan Glover wrote: >> >>> Hello everyone >>> >>> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 12:28 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> Greetings again Dan, >>>> >>>> On Jun 9, 2011, at 1:35 AM, MarshaV wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 8, 2011, at 11:55 PM, Dan Glover wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hello everyone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 5:07 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marsha said: >>>>>>> ...at the moment, I think the best answer would be: >>>>>>> all-that-is-opposite-from-non-gravitation, and I sometimes visualize >>>>>>> the pattern as a cloud of probability. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> dmb: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Definitions are the FOUNDATION of reason. You can't reason without >>>>>>> them." (Emphasis is Pirsig's. ZAMM, page 214.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "A metaphysics must be divisible, definable and knowable, or there >>>>>>> isn't any metaphysics." (Pirsig in Lila, page 64.) >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan: >>>>>> >>>>>> Exactly. Come on, Marsha and Mark. If you want to know what >>>>>> gravitation is, look it up. Or even better, try reading ZMM... or >>>>>> re-reading it, or whatever it takes to get the ideas contained there >>>>>> to sink in. >>>>>> >>>>>> Good God almighty... >>>>>> >>>>>> Dan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi Dan, >>>>> >>>>> There are times when RMP uses words and concepts that go beyond the >>>>> dictionary definition, >>>>> and dictionaries differ, for instance there are words in German that do >>>>> not have an equivalent >>>>> in English. >>>> >>>> The culture of physicists might have a much broader understanding and >>>> definition of 'gravitation' >>>> than contained in a standard dictionary definition. >>> >>> Dan: >>> >>> When I suggested to look it up, I didn't necessarily mean to use a >>> dictionary. The Internet is a wonderful tool for looking up all manner >>> of things we're not sure of. >> >> Marsha: >> About the words that RMP uses uniquely for the purpose of explaining the >> MoQ? For instance, if you lookup 'quality' you will find no reference to it >> being >> divided into static or dynamic components, or it representing reality. - >> I'lll use >> the internet as an initial source, but I don't consider it a finite resource. >> >> >>>> Marsha: >>>> There may be differences even between American and British definition of >>>> words. >>>> For an Buddhist culture, the definition for 'reification' means treating >>>> any functioning >>>> phenomenon as if it were a real, permanent 'thing, rather than an >>>> impermanent process, >>>> while it seems to be a more limited definition in an English dictionary. >>> >>> Dan: >>> >>> I am guessing if you asked people living in a Buddhist culture what >>> "reification" means, most of them would look at you funny. >> >> Marsha: >> I don't know. Taken any surveys lately? If so, you would know that >> answers depend on the questions asked. >> know. > > Dan: > > No. I said I am guessing. I know I had to look up the term "reify" to > know what it meant. And it seems likely the average person (no matter > where they live) might have to do the same. So if you were to ask a > Buddhist from Tibet what they thought about reification, they might > look at you funny. Or not. > >> >> >>> Dan: >>> >>> As to differences in the definitions of words in different cultures, >>> yes. There are differences. But those can be taken into account. We do >>> that all the time. >> >> Marsha: >> Do we? You get that from the internet, or do you spend hours in >> your local university library? > > Dan: > > Well, no. Monty Python was my teacher.
Marsha: An excellant choice! >>> Dan: >>> >>> That doesn't mean we have to resort to nonsense >>> though. >> >> Marsha: >> And the 'nonsense' remark is what? My point was that >> patterns are more than definitions. > > Dan: > > Which leads to confusion and nonsense. Marsha: I don't know what to say about this opinion. Such a limitation I could never accept. I have no problem understanding that patterns are greater than words. > Dan Marsha ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
