dmb quoted both of Pirsig's books:

"Definitions are the FOUNDATION of reason. You can't reason without them." 
(Emphasis is Pirsig's. ZAMM, page 214.)


"A metaphysics must be divisible, definable and knowable, or there isn't any 
metaphysics." (Pirsig in Lila, page 64.)




Dan replied:
Exactly. Come on, Marsha and Mark. If you want to know what gravitation is, 
look it up. Or even better, try reading ZMM... or re-reading it, or whatever it 
takes to get the ideas contained there to sink in. Good God almighty...



dmb says:

I sincerely wonder if Marsha and Mark are capable understanding this point. 
"Gravity" is a physical concept, a word with specific meanings. It is NOT an 
ineffable mystical reality. It's a scientific term that refers to a 
predictable, quantifiable, repeatable action. On earth, I believe the formula 
is 32 feet per second, per second. In Newtonian physics it is a concept that 
gives precise meaning to the fact that unsupported things fall to the ground 
and planets remain in orbit. Einstein's physics uses this concept in a less 
mechanical and more sophisticated way but it's still NOT mysticism. It's 
physics. Physics must be divisible, definable and knowable, or there isn't any 
physics. 

To define "gravity" as the opposite of all that is non-gravity, as Marsha did, 
is just convoluted nonsense. It's a pointless logic loop whereby the term in 
question is twice negated so that one simply does a full circle right back to 
the term without adding anything at all. It is literally meaningless. 

Definitions are the FOUNDATION of reason but Marsha "reasons" with her own 
private definitions. In her world - and what a lonely place it must be - static 
patterns are not static and they are not patterned. In open defiance of all the 
dictionaries, she imagines them as ever-changing clouds. To torture and abuse 
the english language in this way is to remove oneself from reason and 
intelligibility, to cut oneself off from communication with others and can only 
end in confusion, isolation and unhappiness. 

Can you imagine what would happen if someone answered questions this way in a 
court of law? At best, she would be cited for contempt or even declared 
mentally incompetent. A person exhibiting such behavior would end up in jail or 
even in a psychiatric hospital. 






                                          
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