Hello everyone On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Steven Peterson <[email protected]> wrote: >"In the MOQ, > this dilemma doesn't come up." Instead, in the MOQ the issue of > freedom is about static versus dynamic Quality. To the extent we > follow static patterns we are not free, to the extent we are acting in > response to DQ, we are free. > > But to exactly what extent IS that? What is interesting to me is that > what we seem to have here is a whole new MOQ Platypus after the SOM > Platypi have been dissolved. Because Pirsig says we cannot distinguish > degeneracy from DQ until long after the fact we just can't say to what > extent we are free.
Hi Steve You're phrasing your rephrasing of RMP wrongly, in my opinion. He is not saying "we" are free. He is saying to the extent we follow Dynamic Quality, our behavior is free... our actions and our reactions to inorganic, biological, social, and intellectual stimuli. "We" are not free to the extent our behavior is controlled by those static quality patterns. We know to what extent our behavior is controlled. If we did not, I doubt we'd be talking right now. We follow the law. We do what is expected. And we do this to seek approval from others. Yet, we yearn for freedom even if we don't really understand what it is that we're yearning for. What you seem to be asking is: how can we be free without sinking into some sort of degeneracy? The short answer is: we can't. But there is a longer answer that says: by seeking an understanding of the biological, social, and intellectual ramifications of our actions and reactions to stimuli, we are better able to chart a course away from all patterns and avoid for example the biological degeneracy that did in the hippies and the social degeneracy that devoured communism and the intellectual degeneracy that destroyed Nietzsche. Huh? Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
