On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Dan Glover <[email protected]> wrote:
> Hello everyone
>
> On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:04 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Apropos of (from the Chicago Manual)(colon)
>>
>>     A. If “using” can be misread as “that/who is using,” then it’s a
>> good idea to add “by” (colon)
>>
>>     Describe a child using a pen.
>>
>>     Describe a child who is using a pen.
>>
>>     Describe a child by using a pen.
>>
>>     If the copyeditor doesn’t actually know whether a vector is able
>> to “use” Cartesian coordinates, she might be hedging her bets by
>> forcing you to approve her interpretation. If you think the copy is
>> slightly clearer with the addition of “by,” consider keeping it. If it
>> changes the meaning to something that isn’t correct, then reword your
>> sentence so it’s clearer (full stop).
>
> I like more clear but perhaps that is just a matter of style.

"They bring a knife, we bring a gun; they break a leg, we break a
heart.  That's: the Chicago way".  Seems pretty clear to me.
>
>>
>>
>> If dmb and others could get their cartesian coordinates correct we
>> wouldn't be in the mess we are in now, "by" the way.
>
> Mess? What mess?

Latitudes took a long time to figure out.  The whole process was messy.
>
>  Sometimes I
>> think that dmb and others are just those "who is using"
>
> are using

Sometimes I like to use the vernacular, simply for effect.
>
>> (to use the
>> vernacular) by us, pen or no pen.
>
> This needs to be more clear.

A child is using, a man uses, they use.  By us, for us, to us.  If
they use us, it gets messy.  I like to use the present tense preterite
subjunctive, simply for effect.
>
>>dmb (and of course others) want us
>> all to approve his (and others) interpretation.
>
> I should think we all seek (some type of) approval.

Yup, but not all in the same needy way.
>
>   Somehow, I think you
>> know better.  Their (and others) copy is as clear as mud, not to
>> mention their copy copy.
>>
>> Thanks for the link, I like to think that I have style.
>
> Chicago style!

Hold the anchovies!

Mark
>
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