Hi Jan-Anders, Consider what about them, their generic meaning, or is there something specific you would like considered?
Marsha On Aug 4, 2011, at 1:56 AM, Jan-Anders Andersson wrote: > Hi Marsha > > Ever considered about dialectics, survival of the fittest, mutations, > enthropy and atomic disintegration? > > Jan-Anders > > > 3 aug 2011 kl. 14.26 MarshaV wrote: > >> On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:59 AM, MarshaV wrote: >> >>> >>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:53 AM, ARLO J BENSINGER JR wrote: >>> >>>> [Ian] >>>> If you saw it as the whole world with nothing / no-one beyond the horizons, >>>> even then I suspect it would / could. >>>> >>>> [Arlo] >>>> MRB's initial question was "would it occur to me on a desert island?", and >>>> the >>>> answer is "no". According to the MOQ, intellectual patterns of value do not >>>> spontaneously arise from the biological level. They emerge from the social >>>> level. >>>> >>>> "Mental patterns do not originate out of inorganic nature. They originate >>>> out >>>> of society, which originates out of biology which originates out of >>>> inorganic >>>> nature." (LILA) >>>> >>>> In this case, MRB would have the range of agency opened up to him on the >>>> biological level, but he would not have access to social or intellectual >>>> patterns, in other words, no social or intellectual activity. >>>> >>>> And if you are talking not about "occurring to", but something witnessed by >>>> some hidden observer, then this observer would see MRB exhibiting about the >>>> same range of "free will" as an unsocialized ape. (The ape would be seen >>>> "choosing" to eat a banana, and so would MRB, but neither would be able to >>>> "choose" any behavior endemic to the social or intellectual levels.) >>> >>> Hi Arlo, >>> >>> Don't you think this might be a problems with considering all 'thinking' to >>> be >>> intellectual, or intellectual patterns? >>> >>> >>> Marsha >>> >> >> >> I can, though, see that answer as 'the intellectual level is pure thinking'. >> That might >> be thinking detached from experience and context; thinking generalized to a >> degree >> where it becomes totally abstract. But I cannot agree that all thinking is >> of the Intellectual >> Level. I don't have it clear yet, but do you get my general drift? >> >> >> Marsha > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html ___ Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
