Hi all.

There are things we ought to see as humans. I'd put it this way:

--- To some extent we are free to choose to use our free will or follow static 
patterns.

A hole in the wall, a break in the fence, is all we need to know that there is 
a way out and thus we know that we are free to stay inside or not. 

The prisoner can then be held responsible for not escaping and using his 
freedom. ---

Watch in!

Jan-Anders

6 aug 2011 kl. 02.04 Craig wrote:

> [Steve]
>> [dmb] wonders how we can have moral responsibility without free will, and
>> I wonder how you can have free will without conscious deliberation
>> about choices.
> 
> You're both right.
> 
> [Steve]
>> If we follow the "extent to which" notion of freedom as
>> following free will
> 
> 1) We don't "follow free will" &
> 2) Pirsig says we act freely "to the extent we follow DQ".
> But he doesn't say that we act freely ONLY to the extent we follow DQ.
> He leaves it open that there are other ways to be free; e.g., by
> making free choices. 
> Craig 

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