Hi Horse, On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:03 AM, Horse <[email protected]> wrote: > Hiya Dave > > I think what Steve's saying here is something similar to what I said a while > back. > As I understand the MoQ, all actions are moral actions (i.e. value > judgements) but some actions are better or worse than others. And some > actions are downright immoral - such as intellect being dominated by society > etc. > > In Lila Pirsig states: > "The Metaphysics of Quality says that if moral judgements are essentially > assertions of value and if value is the fundamental ground-stuff of the > world, then moral judgements are the fundamental ground-stuff of the world. > It says that even at the most fundamental level of the universe, static > patterns of value and moral judgement are identical. The “Laws of Nature” > are moral laws." > > So, while it is entirely possible (and for some people entirely normal) to > act immorally, it is impossible to act amorally. > Pirsig gives many instances of immoral behaviour throughout Lila in relation > to the MoQ but his references to amoral behaviour are, for the most part, in > the context of the problems of a SOM - i.e. amorality as a mistake of the > objective part of SOM. > > So neither myself nor Steve (nor Pirsig) are saying that immoral behaviour > is not possible. Just amoral behaviour/actions etc.
Steve: Right, Horse, and thanks for digging up that quote. A distinction between true mortality and mere amoral prudence can't work in the MOQ. What distinguishes a psychopath from the rest of us cannot be the _lack_ of morality. We will need to find other ways to talk about what is wrong with the psychopath in MOQ terms probably by distinguishing biological and social patterns. Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
