Force of argument is what I use.  It is you who is trying to short circuit 
this.  If I am not allowed to express an opinion, then nether are you.

Mark

On Aug 28, 2011, at 8:46 PM, Steven Peterson <[email protected]> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 28, 2011 at 8:49 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Hi Steve,
>> Last I checked, Horse was not a biologist.  What I am cautioning Horse
>> about is looking stupid.  This is an important forum by the way no
>> matter how many people quote Wiki.  As such, I suggest that Horse not
>> enter into things he knows nothing about.  Now Stever, I have no idea
>> what you do, but lets say that I start telling you the reality of your
>> job and what you need to read and believe to do it.  Would you simply
>> follow my instructions, or would you have something to say about it?
>> I have been a biologist for over 30 years.  It pains me to see what
>> passes on this forum as knowledgeable input, and does those who come
>> in to read some of it the wrong impression.  .I have read Darwin
>> extensively, I have also read Richard Dawkins extensively.  I can
>> quote anything I want from those texts, there are all here at my
>> fingertips. But, that is not important, let's just stick to MoQ, there
>> is plenty to discuss there.  For example, Steve, how would you
>> analogize Quality?
> 
> Steve:
> Pirsig's philosophy actually includes a lot of talk about evolution
> including biological evolution, so Horse's comments were not at all
> off topic. Secondly, if someone wanted to talk about a particular area
> of expertise of mine, rather than try to shut down conversation on the
> matter I would welcome and encourage it. I would also make my case
> with the force my arguments rather than try to bully people by
> claiming authority based on some academic or vocational credentials.
> The reason you don't know what I do and what most other people do for
> a living is because few of us expect others to bow to our claims based
> on arguments from authority.
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