On Sep 5, 2011, at 10:35 AM, X Acto wrote:
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> Questioner: This idea of reason and rationality as a cage in itself; in what
> sense can it be a cage?
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> RMP: The cage itself is a definition. The definition is a cage. --- Latin
> phrase --- It's an old Aristotelian construction. You set limits on what a
> word is. You set limits on what your experience is. And those limits which
> you set, in order that you can manipulate these words correctly, are also a
> cage for that word; they can't go beyond it one way or another. One of the
> reasons we don't define Quality is because if we do we cage it and if you
> don't define it then all of a sudden the Quality spreads out all over the
> Universe, sort of speak.
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> Ron:
> I believe it was Limit, ultimately, was what gave meaning to experience. What
> Pirsig seems to be saying
> is that Quality is the most basic general of meaning and limit. IT IS meaning
> and limit. But once we enter
> into the plural of explanation it can not be defined.
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> Aristotle based limits on consequences in experience, on practicle meaning,
> on value and quality ,on the good.
> It is what we mean by "correct".
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> The cage is confusing the opinion of correct with the practicle meaning of
> the term.
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Hi Ron,
Aaaa, there are many truths. Yours, I imagine, works for you.
5.5 NAGARJUNA
"In addition to the Dynamic Quality viewpoint of the MoQ corresponding
to what Nagarjuna terms sunyata (ie; the indeterminate or the world
of the Buddhas), the static quality viewpoint of the MoQ also corresponds
to _sunyavada_ (ie,the conditioned component or world of _maya_)
of Nagarjuna. _Sunyavada_ includes all conceptions of reality including
metaphysical views, ideals, religious beliefs, hopes and ambitions; in other
words,using MoQ terminology, static quality patterns
(McWatt, Anthony, 'AN INTRODUCTION TO ROBERT PIRSIG’S METAPHYSICS OF
QUALITY')
Marsha:
Static quality corresponds to the world of Maya (illusion) .
Marsha
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