Steve to Andre: As for the final location of the brush stroke being determined, of course I think of it that way. It must be determined by_something_ for it to be at all meaningful.
Andre: Thank you for making your position clear Steve and ,frankly, I don't know where to start in my response so have snipped the above section as highlighting where you are. I notice that in no part of your post you use the term 'quality' or 'value' or even 'preference'. Why not? To suggest that the location of the brush stroke is a Dynamic act i.e. a non-mediated, non- intellectual event is that not satisfactory to you? It appears not since what you want IS to find determining factors, definite causes so you can predict future events. I see lots of static stuff being generated here with the aim of making "life" nice and predictable, virtually shutting out any possibility of Dynamic insights/change to ever be recognized let alone acted upon. This is SOM all the way it seems to me, running counter to what Pirsig pleads for as stated, for example on tape 1 of the AHP series: "...if our system of thought cannot comprehend what Quality is and lay it out in a rational, orderly form then we must modify our whole system of thought to accommodate this existence of Quality, of value in our lives. "The MOQ is that attempt to completely up-end and change the entire theory of the universe from a subject/object theory of the universe that has existed in the past to a MOQ, a value-centered universe in which suddenly you have a system of thought in which quality is a real, useable, rational term and in which no destruction is made to subjects and objects as they are conceived in our present metaphysics". Hope I haven't misunderstood.
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