Rocket Ron said to Matt and dmb (in the "Taking Words Seriously" thread):


...What Pirsig seems to be pointing to with "following DQ"  is the development 
of first hand critical thinking of "one's own" experience. I quoted "one's own" 
to lend emphasis to the concept of an individual that makes this honest attempt 
which is how the idea of free will is enlarged not redefined. The problem with 
the old understanding is that free will was bereft of morals one may act as one 
wishes the only consequence was of a social nature. But now we see free will as 
having a direction for one to truly have a "will" that is "free" one must 
follow DQ one must pursue excellence. Since excellence is the good by way of 
being, pursuing excellence is living the fullest best life. Nodding to Steve, 
following SQ, imitating the good we are not free and make preferences based on 
determined values. Prone to gumption traps and limited thinking and adhereing 
to what the status quo of good is, we are leading a less than excellent life. A 
mediocre one actually.



dmb says:
I think that's just about right, mostly. The MOQ argues that free will goes all 
the way down. It reverses the reductionist method by extrapolating will 
downward from Chemistry professors to chemicals, as opposed to extrapolating 
causal laws upward from atoms to the sphere of human activity. The MOQ's notion 
of freedom or free will is attached to the engine that drives all of evolution, 
and this engine is the movement toward betterness, toward greater freedom. 
Evolution, Pirsig points out, doesn't just happen within ecosystems and 
societies. It also happens within individuals too. Lila's battle is everybody's 
battle, even when that somebody is not a former prostitute going through a 
psychotic episode.

To say that there is no room in the MOQ for any conception of free will is to 
claim that the MOQ is a form of determinism - or, at best, it would be a claim 
that evolutionary betterness is strictly a matter of chance, just the 
accumulation of random alterations that just happened to produce a good fit. 
This is the kind of Darwinism that creationist types find so disturbing and 
impossible. How could all this happen by chance, they ask rhetorically, because 
it seems so implausible. Their alternative idea is to say that "all this" is 
the result of a divine creator. The MOQ says they are wrong, that the world is 
not determined by mechanical laws, not produced by random chance, nor is it 
guided by a divine creator. Instead, evolution is driven from within, driven by 
the "spur of the moment decisions" of the evolving forms themselves and this 
applies to us as well. Man is a participant in the creation of all things, 
Pirisg says. 

Without this ubiquitous notion of free will going all the way down, the MOQ's 
central notion of betterness is completely undermined. James did not articulate 
this notion in terms of evolutionary levels but he rejected determinism for two 
main reasons, namely the unacceptable moral implications and the fact that it 
would preclude his notion of betterness. As he framed it, pragmatism is a form 
of meliorism. 

Wikipedia on Meliorism

William James was an earlier adherent to meliorism as a halfway between 
metaphysical optimism and pessimism. This article is about the philosophical 
concept.
Meliorism is an idea in metaphysical thinking holding that progress is a real 
concept leading to an improvement of the world. It holds that humans can, 
through their interference with processes that would otherwise be natural, 
produce an outcome which is an improvement over the aforementioned natural one.
Meliorism, as a conception of the person and society, is at the foundation of 
contemporary liberal democracy and human rights and is a basic component of 
liberalism.[1]
Another important understanding of the meliorist tradition comes from the 
American Pragmatic tradition. One can read about it in the works of Lester 
Frank Ward, William James, Ralph Nader, and John Dewey. 



                                          
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