Hi Steve and all,

DQ/SQ: the MOQ proposes the acceptance of an evolutionary reality.  One
aspect indefinable the other aspect definable.  Distinguishing those aspects
are beyond the capabilities of a Will limited to choosing one direction for
movement as compared to an intellect which tells me to jump on my horse and
ride off in all directions where directions are analogs to the intellectual
observation of evolution.

The will is tied to cognition and does not have absolute freedom, as reality
presents itself to the sentient faculties one level at a time.  The will is
determined to levels in evolution and as much as I want I can't go to the
next floor by standing up.  Gravity intervenes.  I require a vehicle,
whereas the intellect in itself watches the imaginary description of the
next floor to decide if it is worthwhile for the will to move and whether
the elevator is working!

Joe 


On 9/22/11 5:09 AM, "Steven Peterson" <[email protected]> wrote:

> Steve:
> Again, I can't see why saying that the will is part determined and
> part random can add up to a sort of freedom worth wanting.
> 
> Why did he think he needed to first deny determinism to assert
> "determined choice by the will"? How are we to think this will
> determines choices? If it chooses on some basis, then we have
> somewhere deeper than the will to look for determining factors. If it
> chooses on no basis whatsoever, then all we have is meaningless opting
> that is indistinguishable from randomness.


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