Hi Ian,

Ian:
> Like I said :
> "Yes Steve, but when people say "Compatibilism is the position that free
> will and determinism are compatible rather than mutually exclusive
> positions." They are not (cannot be) using the SEP definition of determinism
> you cite. They are using a less greedy definition - a la Dennett (who you
> also cite)."

Steve:
Yes, of course the question depends on what one means by the terms.
So, would you agree that a more appropriate response to a claim that
free will and determinism are compatible would be, "that depends on
what you mean"? Or do you stand by dmb's approach?, e.g "you ignorant
slut!. That is just wildly incoherent and improper use of the basic
meanings of terms!"

An important meta-issue here is the care we offer in trying to
understand what philosophers mean on their own terms (as dmb was
willing to do for James with his use of the word "chance" as
equivalent to free will but not for me in my non-metaphysical use of
the word "determinism"). Rather than insist that, say, anyone
defending abortion rights is hereby required to refer to her own
position as "pro-death" to respect "proper use of terms," we remain
open to nuance and even unfamiliar usages. Arguing for new ways of
using language is where the creative work has always been done in
philosophy.

Best,
Steve
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