Who is David Scott?  
 
 
On Oct 4, 2011, at 12:17 PM, david buchanan wrote:

> 
> Matt said:
> ... The problem might be best put in terms of the indeterminacy of 
> DQ/degeneracy thesis: if I want to always be following DQ as much as 
> possible, how do I know whether I'm dimly apprehending Dynamic Quality or 
> apprehending dimly with static patterns? ... The thesis suggests there's 
> going to be no answer, but what does it mean to say, then, that DQ is the 
> Good?  Well, I guess just that it is a placeholder necessary to fully explain 
> the evolutionary paradigm of Deweyan evaluative experience.  So that, 
> sometimes our experience of good is an implicit rejecting of past-evil, but 
> sometimes it's an implicit rejecting of now-good.  And we won't know the 
> difference in our own experience until much later, for the experience of 
> dimness, we might say, is a necessary condition, but definitely not 
> sufficient.
> 
> 
> 
> dmb says:
> Okay, gents. Let me try this another way. We can see DQ from a slightly 
> different angle by looking at James's pure experience. David Scott lays it 
> out quite nicely and, quite helpfully, also frames the point in terms of 
> Buddhism. I'll add Pirsig's terms in brackets...
> 
> David Scott said:
> ...All of these techniques are intended to undermine what James calls the 
> tyranny of ‘intellectualism’, ‘conceptualization’ and ‘verbalization’.Yet 
> where did language [sq] come from? James considers that ‘when the reflective 
> intellect [sq]. . . in the flowing process [DQ] . . . distinguishing its 
> elements and parts, it gives them separate names[sq] . . . The flux of it 
> [DQ] no sooner comes than it tends to fill itself with emphases, and these 
> salient parts become identified and fixed and abstracted [sq]; so that 
> experience now flows as if shot through with adjectives and nouns and 
> prepositions and conjunctions’ (1912, pp. 292, 294). Or again, ‘the essence 
> of life is its continuously changing character [DQ]; but our concepts are all 
> discontinuous and fixed [sq], and the only mode of making them coincide with 
> life [DQ] is arbitrarily supposing positions of arrest therein [sq]. With 
> such arrests our concepts may be made congruent’. These categories are still 
> arbitrary or secondary since they ‘are not parts of reality, not real 
> positions taken by it, but suppositions rather, notes taken by ourselves, and 
> you can no more dig up the substance of reality with them than you can dip up 
> water with a net, however finely meshed’ (1909, p. 253). There are parallels 
> here to the Buddhist sense of inherent anitya, or ‘change’. Both the Ma 
> ̄dhyamika and Vijn ̃a ̄nava ̄da view language and concepts, as a secondary 
> vikalpyate, or ‘construct’ used by an individual’s ‘mind’ (manas).
> Before or underneath this secondary conceptualisation and discrimination [sq] 
> comes what James dubs primary, or ‘pure’, experience [DQ]. As James explains, 
> ‘pure experience [DQ] is the name I give to the immediate flux of life [DQ] 
> which furnishes the material to our later reflection with its conceptual 
> categories’ [sq] (1912, p. 93). What is pure experience [DQ]? In a sense for 
> James it is not the right question to ask, for it is ‘an experience pure in 
> the literal sense of a that which is not yet any definite what 
> [undifferentiated], though ready to be all sorts of whats’ (1912, p. 93). 
> Being pre-conceptual and pre-categorising, ‘experience’ in its original 
> immediacy [primary empirical reality] is not aware of itself. It simply is. 
> It is a ‘that’ rather than a ‘what’ object. Compare the classical Maha ̄ya 
> ̄na Buddhist focus on the tathata ̄ ‘thusness, suchness’ of things, amidst a 
> Buddhist ‘rejection’, particularly in the Madhyamika foundations of Maha ̄ya 
> ̄na, of ‘holding’ onto of any Absolutist positive or negative ‘thing-ness’ or 
> ‘what-ness’. James’ ‘pure experience’ [DQ] is like the Zen Buddhist sense of 
> a natural pre-conceptualising, pre-discriminatory setting [DQ], which Zen 
> traditionally calls one’s ‘original face’ [DQ] and which Suzuki calls 
> ‘no-mind’ [DQ]. The sacredness of the mundane in Zen also compares with 
> James’ view that ‘pure experience’ is nothing ‘but another name for feeling 
> or sensation’ [direct everyday experience] (1912, p. 94).James was at the 
> time concerned that his term ‘consciousness’ would be misunderstood. For ‘to 
> deny that [individual] ‘‘consciousness’’ exists seems so absurd on the face 
> of it—for undeniably ‘‘thoughts’’ do exist—that I fear some readers would 
> follow me no further. Let me then immediately explain that I mean only to 
> deny that the word stands for an entity [Cartesian self], but to insist that 
> it does stand for a function’ (1912, p. 3). In turn, ‘function’ also echoes 
> the Buddhist core functionalist orientation.James acknowledges that: Although 
> for fluency’s sake I myself spoke earlier in this article of a stuff of pure 
> experience [DQ], I have now to say that there is no general stuff of which 
> experience at large is made, there are as many stuffs as there are ‘natures’ 
> in the thing experienced. If you ask what any one bit of pure experience is 
> made of, the answer is always the same. ‘It is made of that, of just what 
> appears, of space, of intensity, of flatness, brownness, heaviness or what 
> not.’ Experience is only a collective name for all these sensible natures and 
> save for time and space (and if you like for ‘being’) there appears no 
> universal element of which all things are made [It is neither physical nor 
> psychical, which are secondary concepts]. (1912, p. 26)It is this dynamic, 
> flowing, relational character [DQ] of ‘consciousness’ that seems closer 
> philosophically to Buddhism than to Hume (see Mathur 1978). James himself 
> distinguishes this Buddhist-like ‘shifting of consciousness’ from what he 
> sees as the blanket, perhaps static, ‘super consciousness’ of monistic Hindu 
> Veda ̄nta (1902, p. 491 n. 1). On this point James and Paul Carus enjoyed 
> courteous but ongoing disagreement. Carus veered towards the Veda ̄nta 
> monistic framework expounded by Viveka ̄nanda during the 1890s in America, 
> despite Carus’ and James’ otherwise common convergence and overlaps with 
> Buddhism’s approach to ethics and on the changing fluctuating nature of the 
> ‘soul’ or ‘self’ (see Bishop 1974).
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