Hi dmb, > Steve said to dmb: What we have is a comparison between interpreting experience through the lens of SOM, interpreting his experience through the lens of the MOQ and the crazy sounding things someone says who is not interpreting his experience through any lens at all??? What could that even mean? ..There is no interpretation that is not based on some set of such intellectual glasses whether they are the ones handed to us at birth or a newly fashioned pair. There is no interpretation of experience that corresponds with "taking the glasses off." Only putting on a different pair.
> dmb says: > Right. That's what I said already. Twice. You want to see it for the third, > your thickness? ... Taking the glasses off gives you uninterpreted experience, but if one is making statements (crazy sounding or not), one is no longer working without the glasses. As soon as you start talking, you are interpreting and you've got some glasses on. Steve: I'm more than a little confused by this response. You begin here by saying that you agree with what I said and have been saying this all along, but if so, you have a strange way of agreeing. And then go on to say how wrong you think I am... dmb: Your question asks for an uninterpreted interpretation. You question is nonsense and it is nonsense because you keep converting the MOQ's primary empirical reality back into a an objective reality. Put another way, you are trying to understand Pirsig's statements in terms of the metaphysics he rejects, as if taking the glasses off would us direct access to an external reality as it really is. And then you deny something Pirsig simply isn't saying. Steve: I understand that Pirsig rejects the appearance-reality problem, but the question is what other interpretation is possible here. Again, what you are suggesting does not fit with what Pirsig says here... Pirsig: "If someone sees things through a somewhat different set of glasses or, God help him, takes his glasses off, the natural tendency of those who still have their glasses on is to regard his statements as somewhat weird, if not actually crazy. But he isn't. " Steve: The people with the glasses on are hearing what the person without glasses on is saying, and they think he sounds crazy. dmb: > You are literally hung up on a sentence fragment, Steve. And that fragment is > beside the point he's making in that passage, which is only about the > difference between SOM and the MOQ, between philosophical outlooks. Steve: As I said in the OP for his thread, I am perfectly fine with taking that fragment about seemingly but not actually crazy things said by someone with the glasses off as an offhand remark that shouldn't be taken too seriously. Best, Steve Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
