Hi dmb, Like you, I would very much like to see Pirsig as someone who dropped the appearance-reality business and never looked back. That may very well be the case, but you aren't engaging with this quote as it is actually written:
"If someone sees things through a somewhat different set of glasses or, God help him, takes his glasses off, the natural tendency of those who still have their glasses on is to regard his statements as somewhat weird, if not actually crazy. But he isn't." > Steve replied: > ...The people with the glasses on are hearing what the person without glasses > on is saying, and they think he sounds crazy. ...I am perfectly fine with > taking that fragment about seemingly but not actually crazy things said by > someone with the glasses off as an offhand remark that shouldn't be taken too > seriously. > > > > dmb says: > You are repeating the same nonsense. Steve: What I keep repeating to you are Pirsig's words because you still aren't engaging with them as written. dmb: Saying things and having the glasses off are two different things. You keep asking about the "crazy things said by someone with the glasses off" and I keep telling you that saying things means you don't have the glasses off anymore. As soon as you start talking you've got the glasses on. Steve: I would like to agree. Pirsig shoulod have been careful to make that distinction, but unfortunately that is not what Pirsig says. Pirsig says that when the people who "still have their glasses on" hear the statements of the one who has taken off his glasses, the ones who "still" have their glasses on "regard his statements as somewhat weird." Our disagreement is not at all about what we wish he had said. It is about the consequences of what he _did_ say. I see him as having slipped up here. You, it would seem, would prefer to look the other way. Fine. Whatever. What is important is that we agree on what he should have said if we are to read him as having dropped the appearance-reality problem. Best, Steve Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
