Hello everyone On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 6:04 PM, X Acto <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Dan: > > Since the MOQ states that ideas come before matter, then it is our > ideas about the histories of rocks that take precedent over rocks > themselves. That is (what I took to be) the point in ZMM about the > laws of physics and the number system being seen as ghosts. The > history of rocks exists as an idea in our heads. > > Ron: > Not that it is missed, but to punch up the notion that matter is an idea, > which I believe the statement "ideas come before matter" illustrates, > should change the way the conversation progresses from here. > > > Therefore the history of rocks literally IS rocks themselves there is no > distinction save the static/dynamic one.
Dan: First of all, I wouldn't say that matter is an idea. Matter is an inorganic pattern of quality. It is the idea of matter that comes first. That doesn't mean that matter is an idea, however. Did you ever stub your toe on an idea? No. An idea isn't physical. Matter is. I would say the history of rocks is how we interpret a rock. Where I live was once a shallow inland sea, or so geologists say. It seems that no matter what rock I pick up, when I look closely I see an amalgamation of tiny fossils resembling sea shells. I take it that those are the calcified remnants of creatures that lived in the shallow inland sea several million years ago or there-about. That is how I view the history of rocks. Someone else may look at the same rocks and form a very different opinion about their history, however. It is like the man chasing the squirrel around the tree. Did he go around the squirrel? So to say the history of rocks is rocks themselves seems to point to rocks that exist before the idea of rocks... that everyone who examines those rocks will agree on their history. I don't believe that is the case... not within the framework of the MOQ, anyway. But perhaps I am misunderstanding what you're saying... Thank you, Dan Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
