Mark to Andre:

There is indeed great rhetorical strength in psychology and any tie into such a 
discipline would
further promote MoQ.

Andre:
Thank you for your response Mark (and Carl). I lifted this one out because I 
intended my post to argue for the opposite: i.e. that the MOQ would promote a 
more rigorous appreciation and application of values in such disciplines as 
psychology/psychiatry and any of the myriad of therapeutic/ 
interventionist/research approaches. Hence my initial reference to the AHP 
tapes.

As for Carl's response...yes, it is indeed a sad situation, the experience of 
which Phaedrus provides a description on pp222-3 in LILA as, in his term 'the 
Giant'...converting 'accumulated biological energy into forms that serve 
itself'.
"Phaedrus had always believed science is a search for truth (to generalize a 
bit, when pointing this out recently to some friends I was labelled as hopelessly 
naive and 'out of touch with the realities of life!!'). A real scientist (or 
therapist, or researcher or anyone really) is not supposed to sell out that goal to 
corporations who are searching for mere profit. Or, if he had to sell out in order 
to live that was nothing to be happy about'.

(And I may add that 'fortunately' there are many people 'not happy' about the 
present state of affairs and it is a nice gesture of Time magazine to proclaim 
'the demonstrator as 'person of the year.)

Be that as it may however, it is time to move to a notion that all static 
patterns of quality are understood as a manifestation of Quality, Big Self, the 
Tao or in your words 'Being'. But, as long as those suggestions ( boiling down 
to 'one does not live on bread alone') are dismissed even by sympathetic 
commentators/analysts (as I read in a national paper the other day) as 
'pseudo-religious' rhetoric, even a dislodging of prevailing attitudes and 
convictions seems miles away.

I cannot see this happening in any serious way for at least another fifteen 
generations.  ;-)


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