Hi Joe, I think I understand you. The way I see it, evolution is not a thing, it is a driving force. In many ways what we term as evolution can be analogized to DQ. The levels are sq, or the way in which evolution expresses itself in the world of appearances (or Maya, if you will. We cannot describe evolution except through how it appears. Because of this gap in logic (using something beyond the static) terminology within evolution becomes somewhat teleological. For example "it is survival of the fittest, because the fittest survive.
We have the same problem with DQ in that we are describing something with static terms. DQ cannot be addressed directly, but only indirectly. This is not uncommon, since gravity is the same. We can only surmise that gravity (DQ) exists through its effects on matter (sq). There have been attempts to describe gravity as the exchange of particles, but still lacking is the wherefore gravity exists. (ie, why does Quality exist?) Often the use of particles for forces becomes a bit nonsensical, imo. For example, our DNA is held together by virtual photons. That is, photons which do not exist as photons since they do not move. Much of these "problems" are a result of the limitations of the mathematical model, in my opinion. Taking such math as a representation (or "analogy" as it is used in this forum) of reality, we could say that the math model is incomplete. The same is true for a metaphysical model for Quality. The quest as I see it is to improve the model, as expressed through rhetoric, so it can be made more believable and useful. People take a stab at this now and again. One day I will review all my posts and see if I can make sense of the combination of my thoughts over these years. I have tried to present a number of such models. Sent laboriously from an iPhone, Mark On Dec 22, 2011, at 11:56 AM, Joseph Maurer <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I like the concept of evolution. When I am discussing reality I want to be > able to use a base of defined, individual words and sentences, for physical > reality. > > For evolution I have to verify a concept of an order in existence, > metaphysical reality. Evolution, describes an order in existence DQ/SQ. > > The trigger, evolution, needed for a conception of this logic is > complicated. In some cases communication is through indefinable words DQ > describing an order in levels in existence, evolution. Other times the > order morphing through an agent DQ into the SQ conceptual order of reality, > is described by discrete levels SQ. > > What is this trigger that leads to sense or nonsense? How can DQ be > conceptualized as indefinable reality? > > I accept the trigger of metaphysical levels in evolution, rather than the > physical mathematical trigger, to create the acceptance of evolutionary > concepts. E.G., an instinctive acceptance of levels (in existence) prior to > logical order. The structure that accepts the marks of words for a > description of these levels in existence, describes definable/indefinable > (evolutionary terms), metaphysics of quality. > > MOQ becomes a format for reality. I am forced to accept an indefinable > order in existence DQ/SQ to understand the sense or nonsense in the words I > am using. The metaphysics MOQ describe the necessary structures DQ/SQ that > enable words to describe fhe reality of a concept of evolution! > > Discussion has been ongoing. Existence can now be understood in discreet > levels DQ/SQ evolution rather than one size fits all. > > Joe > > > On 12/17/11 11:02 PM, "118" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> DQ can transform into sq, when something becomes understandable (or >> definable). If i go to Greece, the magazines in Athens are all DQ. Once I >> learn Greek, they become sq. What was once DQ becomes sq. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
