Hi Andre, I agree with what you present below. I mistakenly used the word "part" which was incorrect as you point out. Hopefully this does not detract from my message. Yes, our existence is Moral Value. I believe that my view of such things is consistent with MoQ. For indeed, Quality is a word that denotes Value and Morality, in its static expression. This is why RMP uses those words in his titles. We should also be aware that to say Morality "manifests" itself as such is also incomplete in it description, for it does not manifest itself since technically speaking Morality cannot be said to be something as it comes before such being. I think you are aware of this, and I point this out to those who wish to replace such things with static values. In the same way, we cannot say that "hostility" manifests in MoQ discussions. Thank you for the correction. My bad. Mark
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:31 AM, Andre <[email protected]> wrote: > Mark to David: > > I believe everybody has always been able to say whether something is better > than something else that > is not new. What may be new (at least from the last two centuries) is the > point that betterness and morality (and values) are part of the universe as > a whole, and not simply some subjective thing that we come up with. > > Andre: > I have taken this last paragraph from a long post but it shows exactly where > you're differ with regards to the MOQ Mark or where your misunderstanding > lies (as David and dmb have tried to point out). Judgements about betternes > is not new you say, and that is correct. Value judgements have been part of > the evolutionary process since time immemorial. The point the MOQ makes > however is NOT that 'betterness and morality (and values) are part of the > universe as a whole'. No, the point Phaedrus makes is that the world is > composed of nothing but moral value. Morality is not part of anything, > morality manifests as static patterns of value. (see LILA chapter 8) > > Your value judgement is an intellectual pattern that can too easily be > fitted into a SOM. A value is not. imho. > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
