Mark:
Yes, I agree with dmb, if I am interpreting correctly what he is
writing. Reality is not invented, it is realized in a manner which we
humans find useful. We are simply interpreters of the given. If
somebody interprets Spanish into English, this does not mean that the
English is not something similar to the Spanish. It does not somehow
make the English unreal. Our interpretation as presented through sq
is as direct as the DQ which is being interpreted. To say that such
analogue is somehow separate from the given is not correct. Our
ability to think is very real, as real as the hardness of steel. We
cannot say that we are "imagining" steel to be hard, or we once again
get lost in the distractions of logic.
Carl:
This is interesting. Last night, the fellow on Coast to Coast, Dr. Joe
Dispranza, (http://www.drjoedispenza.com/), commented that "Our personality
creates our reality." Upon reflection, I have to agree with that. I've
seen too many examples walking around. As you say, our ability to think is
very real, and HOW we think affects most of our perceptions. We interact
with our reality based on our perception of it. The problem with
translations are the cultural memes involved. A concept presented in
Spanish may have a totally different cultural base in English, and the
concept doesn't translate well. It's for this reason that the concept of
quality is so difficult to grasp. My concept of it will be different than
yours, even though we're using the same language to describe it. We can
transmit concepts, but we can never be sure that the receiver is getting
exactly what we're sending. (Explain to a Kalahari Bushman who's never seen
steel what it is, and how "hard" it is. Better yet, explain to someone what
it's like being in love. I know what love feels like, FROM MY PERSPECTIVE,
but there is no way to know what the word really means to you.) This is the
also the problem with analogues. The 'given' in this instance is very much
based on the perceiver. I don't think it's so much a matter of logic,
because your logic is fine, as is mine, it's just that things have a
different intrinsic meaning based on our personal background, experience,
etc.
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