Hi Carl, On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:06 PM, Carl Thames <[email protected]> wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "118" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:53 PM > Subject: Re: [MD] aggregates of grasping > > >> Mark: >> There are senses outside the 5 senses, but they are not as obvious, >> and are not direct chemical, pressure, or light based. > > > Carl: > Do you think they're quantum based? > >> Quality can explain them all.
> > > Carl: > How? For me quantum reality is an interesting way to look at things. For it implies discreet jumps. This would in turn suggests that we are jumping over something. That something could well be DQ, or even Quality. One useful way of presenting Quality (at least to myself) is that Quality is what then results in the differentiation of all. For it would seem that such "all" differentiates in terms of qualities. This would point to the Mother of all qualities. If we say that Quality exists even before such differences we become aware of, then we can use it in some metaphysical constructions. Just as in the differences between apples is created by Quality, we can also say that our free will is also created by Quality since we are then allowed to choose. We can extend this analogy to Self and Other (if one likes this dichotomy). The separation between Self and Other is created by Quality in the same way that the difference between apples is. That is, Self and Other is given birth by Quality. It is simply a shift in focus, where we do not look at the two sides of that presented, but rather at what lies between them. So, just as we have the incoming light being converted to a personal interpretation of such as a cause-effect paradigm, we can switch the focus to Quality creating both the light coming in AND our personal interpretation of such. From this we can say that Quality is the "well from which all things come". This would make it similar to Tao. Both Quality and Tao are that which comes before Some Thing. Does this make sense? We then extend this to senses that we are not aware of, but which can be deduced from experiences we have, if we are sensitive to such experiential causes. > > > Carl: > At times, I think there is so much "noise" going on with modern philosophy > that it's almost pointless to take a position. So many out there are trying > to make a name for themselves that they're coming up with all kinds of > nonsense, and others seem to exist just to come up with bad analogies to > shoot down anyone with an original idea. Yes. Whenever I say nonsense, I mean it from a personal point of view, for I am sure than many make "sense" of such things. I just go fishing in the ocean of philosophy, and find what I can use to explain my perception. Philosophy seems to move forward by way of argument, and this makes it interesting and somewhat of a challenge for me. I believe we can move beyond the "first principles" that philosophy is based on, and come up with some kind of "spiritual rationality". > > Mark: >> >> One cannot live in DQ alone, and the same goes for sq. This is why I >> claim that it is not analogies all the way down. There is no "down" >> to analogies, since they only create things "up". Even if we are >> looking at the nature of matter, we are creating things "up" and not >> "down". Knowledge is like a house. We never speak of building "down" >> a house, unless we owe more than it is worth :-). We never try to >> analyze how it is that the house can sit on the ground. All we do is >> build a house, and a very fine house it is for the most part. > > Carl: > Hmmm. Makes one wonder just where this burning desire to build comes from. > Our great-great>10 ancestors seemed to be content living in caves, but we > insist on building our own cave, where we want it. I guess that's just > practicality, though. Plus climate control.... Then again, how many people > question how an automatic transmission works? We accept a LOT, including > the stuff in the basement, and pray fervently we'll never have to replace, > or even worse, re-create it. We just insist that it keeps working. Yes, burning desire indeed. Modern day philosophy would guise such a thing in the evolutionary model, but I think this is somewhat short sighted. Since I have presented this many times, I will leave it at that. We do rely on the experience of others to live the way we do. Therefore reality cannot just be explained by personal experience, as is often the case in this forum. For much of what we "understand" has its root in our faith in what is presented by others. Of course this presentation can also be used for sinister purposes. So in this sense I equate "acceptance' with "faith" as I understand them. > > Mark: >> > > Carl: > I know too many people who are completely content to live on the surface. > Give them a six pack and a sit-com, and they're as happy as it gets. I like > to sit beside a lake. The water recharges me, as you say. I started the > ground school while I was in Korea, but my mother passed away and I had to > drop it when I came back. I never returned to it, although at the time I > could have gotten a private pilot's lisence for $500 total, including plane > rental, etc. (I'm still kicking myself over that one.) I also passed up > the opportunity to scuba while on Okinawa. I've had problems with my ears > since childhood, and didn't want to do the pressure change thing on a > regular basis. As for building the parachute, keep in mind that you don't > need a parachute to sky dive. You need a parachute to sky dive TWICE. ;-) Yes, "on the surface" in more ways than just the physical. There are those who live only in the conceptual world from which to get meaning as the only source. MoQ is trying to disuade such one-dimensional living. It is trying to get us out of the cave of shadows that a sole understanding through the conceptual would place one in. Yes, my license is currently on hold because of the cost, but it does give me something to look forward to. I also have ear problems which is why I did not pursue a career in deep sea marine biology. However, it was that interest that introduced me to the realm of biochemistry, which I find most exciting. As far a parachuting, I will leave that to a time when I am ready. It makes my palms sweat just thinking about it :-). Cheers, Mark > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
