dmb,
Participate, I'll stay out of your way. Bring up a topic for discussion. I can assure you that I do not want to be a teacher, a leader or a watchdog. Marsha On Mar 21, 2012, at 3:39 PM, david buchanan <[email protected]> wrote: > > Here is a fairly clean and simple example of Marsha's inability (or > unwillingness) to comprehend the MOQ's basic structure. > > Andre said Marsha:So there are four arguments here that you (continually) use > and which are CONTRARY to Pirsig's MOQ:1) the intellectual level = SOM 2) > DQ=sq 3) sq is 'everchanging...' 4) The MOQ=Experience. > > dmb says: > Marsha responded to Andre's four objections by simply dismissing them, by > pretending that they aren't real. I'm quite sure that all four of them fairly > represent her positions but I'd like to focus on #3. I think just about > everybody has seen that claim many times. I've even objected to the > proposition as an abuse of the english language. (According to all the > dictionaries "static" and "ever-changing" have opposite meanings so that they > could never rightly be equated.) > > What makes this even stranger, is that she will post textual evidence that's > clearly against her own position on this and claim to agree with this > counter-evidence. She will not or cannot see how this quote, for example, > works against her claims. > > "That’s the whole thing: to obtain static and Dynamic Quality simultaneously. > If you don’t have the static patterns of scientific knowledge to build upon > you’re back with the cave man. But if you don’t have the freedom to change > those patterns you’re blocked from any further growth." (LILA, Chapter 17) > > > Where Marsha says static quality is not other than Dynamic Quality, Pirsig > says the whole thing is to obtain BOTH. Where Marsha says static quality is > ever-changing, Pirsig says we need a stable base of scientific knowledge to > build upon. This quote is evidence against claim #2 and #3. Sadly, Marsha is > apparently oblivious and completely unmoved by this kind of evidence. It > never has any effect. > > Her ideas clash with the text like a big, noisy train wreck but she doesn't > hear a sound. It's very weird. > > > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
