Hi Marsha I think our Western type of experience has something to tell the guys on the streets of the East with their waterpipes and handmade sitars:
http://youtu.be/RVGrsH57Pl0 best wishes Jan Anders 21 mar 2012 kl. 22.44 skrev [email protected]: > This is supported by Herbert Guenther 204 (1957, p.144) who adds: > > Experience is the central theme of Buddhism, not theoretical postulation and > deductive verification. Since no experience occurs more than once and all > repeated experiences actually are only analogous occurrences, it follows that > a thing or material substance can only be said to be a series of events > interpreted as a thing, having no more substantiality than any other series > of events we may arbitrarily single out. > > After some thought, I think Guenther?s comment is valid as I can?t think of > any events that are repeated exactly. Moreover, like the concept of ?self?, > there?s no absolute objective rule to judge when one event starts and another > stops. This means that any concept or term is fundamentally indeterminate, > imprecise and, as time passes, increasingly less useful. > > > > On Mar 21, 2012, at 4:53 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> 5.8.4. THE MOQ, DUKKHA AND AVIDYA (IGNORANCE) It?s fairly obvious from >> reading Pirsig?s texts that SOM is perceived by him as an example of >> ignorant thinking. Briefly, this is due to such systems ignoring the reality >> of Dynamic Quality. Why this is particularly ignorant is explained by the >> ?Three Aspects? of the Cittamatra school of Mahayana Buddhism. 201 >> >> Williams (1988, p.83) states that the First Aspect refers to the falsifying >> activity of language which implies independent and permanent existence to >> things. As Hagen 202 (1997, p.30) notes, one of the most fundamental truths >> noted by the Buddha is that all aspects of our experience are in constant >> flux and change. According to the Buddha, when a person ignores this truth >> they subject themselves to dukkha. >> >> _Dukkha_ has been notorious in evading exact translation to English. Hagen >> (1997, p.25) notes that the word is originally derived from a Sanskrit word >> referring to a wheel out-of-kilter. 203 >> >> >> >> On Mar 21, 2012, at 4:49 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Like Pirsig, Nishida follows the thought of Nagarjuna and rejects the SOM >>> ?object logic? conceptualisation of reality. Instead, Nishida uses the more >>> Eastern orientated ?concrete logic? (or ?logic of nothingness?) which >>> perceives reality as holistic and constantly changing; where identities are >>> momentary (and, therefore, always ?negating? themselves). A theme prevalent >>> in Nishida?s ?concrete logic? (as well as the MOQ and much of Buddhist >>> thought), is the recognition of the ?self? as just a useful abstraction." >>> >>> (MoQ Textbook) >>> >>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
