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On Mar 24, 2012, at 1:06 AM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Marsha, > No, to "think so" does not require the cognitive process. You are entangled > in the same paradox that David is, I believe. If one remains only in the > static world then there is so much missed, in my opinion. Just consider your > "think so" as a paradox which does not have much use. There are plenty of > paradoxes that are useless, like "everything you know is false". This is > just logic feeding on itself. What you present is a circular logic which has > no escape. Zeno also proved that nothing moved, but this is useless from an > intuitive point of view. > > I could say that what you say is not your own but dependent on pre-existing > conditions, and thereby state that the cognitive process is only reflexive, > therefore there is no cognition at all, but only "drift". This would also be > a senseless argument in the face of DQ. > > If everything is cognitive, then how does one follow DQ? You say "well that > is a cognitive argument", and I say "no, it is dependent drift", and the > conversation becomes totally meaningless. > > In Zen there is the concept of "thinking" without thinking. Give it a try, > it may open up new "understandings" for you. > > This is of course just my opinion and you do not have to agree with it, as I > do not of yours. Just ask yourself how intuitive is this cognitive process > that you claim is everything. > > Cheers, > > Sent laboriously from an iPhone, > Mark > > On Mar 23, 2012, at 8:53 PM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 23, 2012, at 7:05 PM, 118 <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Marsha, >>> I believe that much can be apprehended outside of the cognitive process. I >>> would hazard to say that 99% of our apprehension is outside of such >>> cognition. How much does your body go through In an hour? How much of >>> that reaches the cognitive process. >> >> To think so requires the cognitive process. >> >> >>> We cannot strictly separate ourselves from the environment, but when we do, >>> that is the cognitive process. When is each molecule part of ourselves or >>> part of the environment (for example)? >> >> To think this requires the cognitive process. >> >> >>> To claim that all must first pass through the cognitive process before it. >>> Is ours, is to deny the dynamic as part of our experience, in my opinion. >>> But, I may be wrong (again). >> >> To think this requires the cognitive process. None of your opinion can be >> apprehended apart from your cognitive process. >> >> >>> Sent laboriously from an iPhone, >>> Mark >> >> >> Marsha >> >> >> >>> On Mar 23, 2012, at 2:49 AM, MarshaV <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> Craig, >>>> >>>> I am not saying patterns are mere ideas, but can anything at all be >>>> apprehended apart from one's complex of cognitive processes? Not a >>>> universe, not billions-of-years, not humans, and not advanced >>>> civilizations. >>>> >>>> >>>> Marsha >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mar 22, 2012, at 1:26 AM, [email protected] wrote: >>>> >>>>> In regard to "ideas, which produce what we know as matter": >>>>> it should be remembered how insignificant humans might be. >>>>> Firstly, the universe existed billions of years before humans & if humans >>>>> demise, might exist billions of years after. >>>>> Secondly, there might be civilizations way more advanced than us, that >>>>> make us look primitive. >>>>> Craig >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>>> Archives: >>>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
