Tuukka, And I agree with RMP that to kill intellectual patterns is to serve morality if one does not understand deeply that value patterns are impermanent, ever-changing (synchronically and diachronically) and conditionally co-dependent (relative). And please do remember that the transcribing of the Eastern poem into MoQ'nese represents RMP's words from LILA, not mine. That would be Robert Maynard Pirsig's words, not mine.
Marsha On Apr 1, 2012, at 5:17 AM, Tuukka Virtaperko <[email protected]> wrote: > Marsha, > okay, but it's pretty harsh and vague to speak of "killing" an intellectual > pattern. That's what created the misconception for me. No problem anymore, > with the explanation. > > -Tuukka > > > > 1.4.2012 12:06, MarshaV wrote: >> Greetings Tuukka, >> >> >> On Apr 1, 2012, at 4:41 AM, Tuukka Virtaperko<[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Marsha, >>> If there's no intellectual quality, where's Dynamic Quality going to latch? >>> To social patterns? Okay, but that can create new intellectual patterns. >> I have never said there is no intellectual (value) patterns, so I have no >> way to answer. >> >> >>> To biological and inorganic patterns? If so, then maybe you are a >>> manifestation of Lila. >> I have never denied inorganic, biological, social or intellectual >> (patterned) value. >> >> >>> What does it mean to "kill" an intellectual pattern? May its carcass still >>> be used for something? >> I'll repeat what I wrote yesterday. Isn't the idea to understand that these >> static patterns should not bind, or blind, us whether intellectual level >> patterns or biological patterns. Then one merely needs to recognize >> patterns, and to determine, to the best of one's ability, what it values and >> whether it is useful or not in the present case. >> >>> -Tuukka >> Marsha >> >> >>> >>> >>> 1.4.2012 11:30, MarshaV wrote: >>>> This quote seems so appropriate for Subject: title. >>>> >>>> >>>> "From the static point of view the whole escape into Dynamic Quality seems >>>> like a death experience. It's a movement from something to nothing. How >>>> can 'nothing' be any different from death? Since a Dynamic understanding >>>> doesn't make the static distinctions necessary to answer that question, >>>> the question goes unanswered. All the Buddha could say was, 'See for >>>> yourself.' >>>> >>>> "When early Western investigators first read the Buddhist texts they too >>>> interpreted nirvana as some kind of suicide. There's a famous poem that >>>> goes: >>>> >>>> "While living, >>>> Be a dead man. >>>> Be completely dead, >>>> And then do as you please. >>>> >>>> "And all will be well. It sounds like something from a Hollywood >>>> horror-film but it's about nirvana. The Metaphysics of Quality translates >>>> it: >>>> >>>> "While sustaining biological and social patterns >>>> Kill all intellectual patterns. >>>> Kill them completely And then follow Dynamic Quality >>>> And morality will be served." >>>> >>>> (LILA, Chapter 32) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>>> Archives: >>>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >>>> >>> Moq_Discuss mailing list >>> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >>> Archives: >>> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >>> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> Moq_Discuss mailing list >> Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org >> Archives: >> http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ >> http://moq.org/md/archives.html >> > > Moq_Discuss mailing list > Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. > http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org > Archives: > http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ > http://moq.org/md/archives.html Moq_Discuss mailing list Listinfo, Unsubscribing etc. http://lists.moqtalk.org/listinfo.cgi/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org Archives: http://lists.moqtalk.org/pipermail/moq_discuss-moqtalk.org/ http://moq.org/md/archives.html
